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EDIT : It seems as no one understood what i was talking about and maybe its my fault for not elaborating . I always thought chicken was a metaphor for this paradox and not really meaning chicken as a specific spiece . So my question is how did the ancestor of chicken came to be if it was born (egg) wouldn't it need a parent or if it was a parent (chicken ) woudn't it need to be born ? Or did all the creatures start out as bacteria and climbed out from ocean through evalution if so why isn't any new species being born this way or am i missing something ?

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[–] Susaga@ttrpg.network 79 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The answer is egg, because egg-laying creatures predate the chicken.

If we count it as a chicken egg only, then it depends on if you describe a chicken egg as "an egg laid by a chicken" or "an egg that could hatch into a chicken".

[–] cali_ash@lemmy.wtf 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If we count it as a chicken egg only, then it depends on if you describe a chicken egg as “an egg laid by a chicken” or “an egg that could hatch into a chicken”.

I think we watched the same youtube video on the topic!

[–] Susaga@ttrpg.network 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Which came first, your explanation or the YouTube video?

[–] Susaga@ttrpg.network 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I mean, I assume the youtube video? I don't know, I didn't watch one that talked about chicken eggs. You'd need to say which youtube video you mean. My explanation came from me.

[–] peterf@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Um no.

The foetus is first formed in the uterus and then the hen lays down the calcium layer around it.

So it depends on whether you consider a foetus a chicken or not.

[–] hamms@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I think you mean the embryo; it takes some time after being laid for the zygote inside the egg to develop to the point it could be considered a fetus.

[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

the egg that hatched the first chicken, obviously, laid by something that was not quite what we’d consider a chicken.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fish, arthropods, etc, had eggs millions of years before chickens.

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[–] arthur@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Dinos (~~within the arthropods~~) are an easy example.

Edit: correction

[–] Eonandahalf@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] arthur@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Afaik, is the other way around. All birds are dinosaurs, but there are non-avian dinosaurs as well.

[–] Eonandahalf@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Ahh cool 😅. I mean… chickens aren’t exactly avian 😊and can you imagine a giant naked chicken, how is that not a dino 😛

[–] cali_ash@lemmy.wtf 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The concept of "eggs" is way, way older then chickens. Fish lay eggs. So in this case, it's definitly the egg that came first.

You can dig deeper, but eventually you end up on the what is a "chicken egg" and a "chicken" .. which means you have to deal with taxonomy. And well, it's just made up... so that doesn't really lead anywhere.

So I say it's the egg. final answer.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago

This is the only answer. Dinosaurs laid eggs long before they evolved into chickens.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

I'm genuinely curious OP how you could even consider the chicken coming first? How did you imagine that scenario going down?

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can’t really remember the study or whatever, but the answer is egg. You’d need the mutation in DNA in the laid egg before you could get the chicken. And then propagation after until chickens are everywhere of course.

This is a simplified version of what I read, but that’s basically it.

[–] themusicman@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unless you define "chicken egg" as an egg laid by a chicken. It's question of definitions

[–] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

But the question doesn't specify a "chicken egg". It simply says "egg". So the answer is egg, laid by some chicken ancestor.

[–] hallettj@beehaw.org 4 points 9 months ago

To answer your other question, yes there are still single-cell organisms evolving into new species all the time, in the ocean and elsewhere. That includes new multi-cellular species evolving from single cells all the time. But it takes a long time to develop from cell, to clump of slime, to something with legs. So you might not notice the changes if you aren't super patient.

Or were those separate questions? Are you asking if chickens descended from single-cell organisms? Yes they did. With a lot of steps in between.

[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago
[–] crystenn@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

to answer your edit, yes all creatures started out as single celled-organisms many billions of years ago and gradually evolved. this process is still happening today but takes millions of years, not something you would observe in a human lifetime