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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 294 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Once the stove exhausts most of it's hydrogen fuel, the stove will enter it's Red Giant phase and grow to the size of a small car.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This comment makes me wish I could gild comments on Lemmy.

[–] kattenluik@feddit.nl 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's exactly what I was missing: giant distracting icons that flash on a comment I was going to read anyways!

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Nah, forget the stupid additional awards they added. Just the good ol’ gold. It was a great idea to help pay for servers before they corrupted it seeking profit.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lemmings are herbivorous, give them a leaf. 🥬

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

This implies carnivores and/or omnivores eat gold.

Wait, do you think non-lemmings are dragons?

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 74 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They're running that thing a bit too hot

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I honestly don't really see anything else that's horribly wrong here. It's a home made stove. I kind of like it

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

the air intake on the bottom doesn't even have a door, it's just running on max all the time

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Maybe it used to have a door but it has since been vaporized.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

That's true. I chose to trust the text that it was adjustable. I was about to write it but decided not to.

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 72 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Warms the whole workshop within ten minutes? More like burns down the whole workshop within ten minutes.

[–] ralakus@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At least everyone inside will be warm for the rest of their lives

[–] not_again@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Give a man a fire and he is warm for a day.

Set a man on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

GNU Terry Pratchett

[–] Ravi@feddit.de 11 points 9 months ago

*also warms the neighbours house in ten 5

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 62 points 9 months ago

Are they casting Sauron's rings in that thing? Jeebus.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago

This looks more like a forge than a heater.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 40 points 9 months ago (6 children)
[–] antimidas@sopuli.xyz 50 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

It's safe enough, in the Finnish army we occasionally get the tent heater red hot, and as long as nothing flammable touches it or is too close, it's fine. It will radiate heat quite well when that hot, but won't be anywhere close to dangerous if you know what you're doing. In the tent we of course have some water nearby to extinguish the possible flames but still.

You basically need to have it glowing red if you're to keep the tent warm in -15 °C or lower. - 30°C needs something closely resembling the picture posted.

Here's an example, unfortunately hosted on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fjiquty6qz7s51.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De4b8083400858eccc1786d7b32b94b759b2bc6c2

[–] SlothMama@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I need your to consult on Frostpunk 2. The first game insists people can survive -140° C and that's like, -220° F.

[–] antimidas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well, the example was with a tent which is a single layer of cotton between you and the environment, and by no means resembles anything even remotely insulated. That's why it needs a relatively powerful heater to stay comfortably warm. In normal use you have quite a lot of control over the temperature of the heater, mainly with the size and amount of firewood -> effective surface area of the fire.

For static buildings the situation is different, with enough insulation you can get by with almost no heating. Zero-energy building is a thing in Finland as well, and although it has its challenges, it's still possible to keep your home warm with only your body heat in e.g. -40. The main difficulty you'll encounter there is getting rid of the moisture in air, since being that energy-efficient will require having your home almost fully enclosed. You'll also need to be careful to properly limit the moisture getting out from the house, as the dew point will be inside the insulation and any moisture getting out will condense inside, eventually leading to mold.

I haven't actually reached the end game in Frostpunk 1, but at a glance it would require some efficiency improvements and better insulation – and given enough insulation and heating anything is possible. If your people are sleeping under the sky hugging the generator, I'd assume you won't get past the end game. A real-world example that somewhat resembles the Frostpunk world would be people living in Yakutsk, Russia, where they have more of a brute-force approach to the -60 °C temperatures – just burn enough gas to keep your log cabin warm. Surviving outside at those temperatures without protective equipment would be difficult though, especially since most materials won't stay flexible at -120 °C or -140 °C. You'd find it pretty difficult to move around.

Edit: But also, a mandatory "don't quote me on this", as building is my hobby, not my job. I've some knowledge, and some experience, but by no means am I a professional.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You make it red hot because you don't want to crawl constantly back into the tent. And you never, ever want the fire to go out, because of all the shit you'd get for it. Mansikka for life

[–] ArtificialLink@yall.theatl.social 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 9 months ago

It will keep you warm for life

[–] Really_long_toes@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] nuggsy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I was hoping to see a comment like this. You did not disappoint.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 12 points 9 months ago

As long as you don't run it more than 10 min then it's safe.

[–] suodrazah@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Never met her.

[–] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 1 points 9 months ago

It does look a bit like it's on the verge of exploding.

[–] ordellrb@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago

Are you using uranium as fuel?

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

Why is there a picture of the Fukushima nuclear core in this picture?

[–] ABoxOfPhotons@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

It's glowing bright red with coldness.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

He's not lying, everything he said is true... Note he never claims that it was done properly!

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

You sure that's not a jet engine?

[–] zuck@lemmy.l0l.city 15 points 9 months ago

mmm malleable

[–] SOB_Van_Owen@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Looks quite efficient. See also: rocket stoves, specifically the pocket rocket design. Though the ones with lots of thermal mass probably serve folks better while taking up more space. Various wood gasifier stoves are pretty neat. I've got a little one for camping.

In this instance, I'd predict the components of this stove will oxidize away quickly.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

It is all stainless steel. So it will be able to last.

I once combined a steel can wood gasifier with an aluminum alcohol stove using an ethanol and peroxide fuel that could boil 500ml of water in under 6 minutes with an ounce of fuel and burned violet. Not ideal for lightweight camping, as I intended, but man was it efficient.

[–] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What's the chimney made out of, I can't tell

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can't shake the feeling it looks like plastic, but that means we'll have imminent catastrophic failure.

[–] Gordon@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Metal flex chimney pipe. Looks like 6-8" or bigger.

Edit: he says 150mm so 6"

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Stainless steel spiral crimped corrugated. Same type they use to reline chimneys for appliances or some gas burning fireplaces. Looks like 6".

[–] DannyMac@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I think it has reached critical mass

[–] pacology@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

And then one day you are there working on something at the vise, you drop something, and then you need a full back graft, and now you have weird hairs growing in your shoulders.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Engineering without limitations

[–] weird_nugget@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Imagine hitting your pinky toe with that shit