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A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.

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[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 48 points 8 months ago (1 children)

B-b-but I was told that paying employees more would cause inflation!

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the last couple of years has been mass rich fuck retaliation for pushing some fast food workers wages to $15/hr.

[–] TetraVega@lemmings.world 4 points 8 months ago

The poor rich people

[–] kajdav@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is garbage data. Learn the difference between revenue, gross profit, and net profit.

[–] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Ok. $36 biliion consolidated net revenue reported at a 16% profit margin for fiscal year 2023 still leaves $5.76 billion in money that went somewhere after everyone was paid, taxes were ~~avoided~~ paid and all approved expenses were handled.

Edit: adding source https://investor.starbucks.com/press-releases/financial-releases/press-release-details/2023/Starbucks-Reports-Q4-and-Full-Year-Fiscal-2023-Results/default.aspx

[–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 8 months ago

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS???? HOW CAN THEY SURVIVE WITHOUT THEIR (checks Starbucks earnings sheet) $4B IN NET EARNINGS!?!?

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago

Teach me papa

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All together it's $528.773 billion! That's $66 for each and every single person on the planet!

What even the fuck.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Aka one family meal at Culver's.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Obviously it's not going to go far if you're spending it at Culver's, but for some people out there it'd be a big deal.

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I do wonder how many pounds of cheese curds $66 buys.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's even worse: corporate profits are driving price inflation.

Proper Inflation sees both prices and salaries go up, so isn't all that bad for most people (unless it goes all the way to hyperinflation) because people aren't actually losing purchasing power as they do with just price inflation.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago

Came here to say this too, so I hope it's okay if I elaborate.

Politicians and corporations love to conflate cost of living increases with inflation. Not every price increase is due to inflation. Only price increases that are due to increased customer buying power are inflation. Taxes don't 'drive inflation' they slow it, because they reduce customer buying power. Taxes DO increase cost of living (if they aren't used to fund services that reduce cost of living).

Corporations love to point at price increases and just 'inflation'. Politicians love to say

we're getting tough on inflation, our policies limited it to just 5% (or whatever).

When sure maybe inflation is just 5% but total cost of living has gone up much more, which is the actual problem.

Inflation typically only hurts people on fixed incomes. Hyper inflation, where inflation is so severe that markets can't set prices and people lose faith in money altogether, is obviously a problem but it takes a lot more inflation than what we're seeing.

[–] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To borrow some investor speak: "Past performance is no guarantee of future results." However in this case, it absolutely does. The drive to squeeze even one more drop of blood is relentless and in many cases it's required. Boards must do what's best for the company or they risk lawsuits from shareholders. They cannot deviate from a maximum-extraction plan (either profits or market share) without very good reasons. Each one of those companies has to do better year over year, or explain to the board/shareholders/media/etc why they did not.

How they get those profits up can be cutting pay, "restructuring" (layoffs), optimization, price increases, cheaper supply, better methods, etc. Most of this list will be the same next year and the numbers will be higher. Hate the game.

[–] cloud_punk@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's perfectly evil system as nobody has to take moral accountability. The board has to make the best decisions for the shareholders and the shareholders don't run the company, just invest in it. It's what my mind goes to when oil companies claim that they are doing their part for climate change.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Well, you almost see the issue. Its the government that was supposed to take moral accountability. It was supposed to set minimum wages, environmental standards and other rules under which corpos cude try to increase profits.

But oil companies figured out they can distract people by pitting them against each other or by making them "protest the companies" and "vote with their wallets", which never had any chance of doing anything. And then most companies followed suit.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When do we start burning shit.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I keep asking people to join my radical and extremely poorly regulated militia but everyone thinks it's a joke for some reason.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Too many ppl have families and comforts they don't want to risk losing.

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[–] i3c8XHV@aussie.zone 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why is this list not sorted? Am I the only one confused by this?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 8 months ago

It is sorted, it's a list of "gigantic asshole companies" they just all tied for first.

:P

[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

And where does Starbucks come from? Why is it not in that list? Or is it part of one of these companies?

[–] Dim0N@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ah yes, the famous Walmart, having 2 times the profits of Apple but costing 5 times less in stock.

The picture totally makes sense, no questions asked.

[–] Erismi14@midwest.social 15 points 8 months ago

Stock price is not inherently tied to profit. That is why p/e ratio exists. Also different industries can have different p/e ratios. Not even this holds though. Tesla's p/e is OOM more than Toyota, but Toyota has higher profits and sells more cars.

The OP data is wrong, which you probably already know. Apple's net income (AKA Profit) for 2023 was ~$96B while Walmart's was ~$11B. Walmart is the largest corporation by revenue but retail is a low margin, high overhead business. Their operating costs are much higher than Apple's.

Also, as another commenter mentioned, share price is not linked that closely to profitability. There are other factors that influence the share price. Hell, share price isn't even tied that closely to it's actual value. See "Book Value" vs. "Market Value".

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Revenue does not mean gross profit. Gross profit does not mean net earnings. The numbers this person posted is the money the conpany gets before any operation costs. This means this is how much the product sold regardless of how much it costs to produce, package, ship, r&d, worker cost, etc. This meme has to stop its poisoning your brains

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

before any operation costs

paying employees a wealth generating compensation should be an operational cost, my friend.

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[–] Blackmist@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Surely Starbucks have more employees than that? Are they all franchised or something?

[–] FlightyPenguin@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If it's 400,000 employees, that means at least one in every thousand Americans works for the company.

[–] Blackmist@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

There is a world outside the USA.

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As an American, I knew Starbucks was international, but it's to a greater extent than I'd realized.

World-famous coffeehouse chain, Starbucks, accounted for 35,711 stores worldwide in 2022. There were more international stores than those located in the company's home nation of the United States. These figures amounted to 19,838 and 15,873, respectively.

Source

Just sharing this here in case anyone else is interested lol.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 10 points 8 months ago

The company that owns Huggies Diapers managed to reduce costs of production multiple years in a row while raising prices for consumers at the same time.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Convincing people they need to buy basically the exact same shit yearly.

And fighting a lot of lawsuits involving their planned obsolescence and monopoly so they can keep it that way.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I find it kinda ironic that apple users upgrade every year, cause iPhones can last forever, that’s the very reason I use it, my cousins 11 pro is still going very strong, and I plan to use mine atleast until I break it or Apple ends support

[–] jaykay@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how many people actually buy an iPhone every year

[–] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

Lots, based on sales.

I'm on my third SE version, which is the SE2, so I still have an SE3 to go. I'm set for at least 6 years.

Briefly went from my last SE (the first 8-body SE) to a 13 because I got a deal. Hated it, sold it on ebay two months later, bought an SE2. Thrilled with my decision.

[–] rabiddolphin@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Making mountains of ewaste

[–] Ackerthegod@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

These numbers are gross profit I believe. You can have $100B in gross profits and $100B in costs, netting $0. Better to show EBITDA and make your point that way.

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