Kinda has a stench of "the wealthy get taxed too much 😢"
The IRS doesn't get that money. The IRS processes that money and prevents your lottery-ticket-buying-ass from hoarding it all, and redistributes some of that unnecessary wealth to the utilities and services were all invested in together as a society.
If only actual billionaires got taxed that much...
This is what happens if you take it out as a lump sum. If you choose to take your winnings over an extended period of time (20 years or something), it is taxes more like income.
That said, I totally agree with you!
A significant amount is "lost" when you get immediate payout versus the annuity. The lottery will invest and be able to pay out more over the thirty years, thus they offer less the the lump sum
On 1.2 billion over 30 years, the average tax rate will not be significantly different year to year vs the avg tax rate on a lump sum.
The poor smuck probably claimed the lottery as an individual. He should have opened a company and claimed the ticket so that he can expense out a lot of his taxable income
/s
I am 99% sure this is not how it will work in this specific scenario but does otherwise when it’s business as usual.
Sadly, the IRS isn't properly staffed or equip to go after rich people...
I heard this eloquent way of saying it the other day:
The IRS doesn't have the money to go after people with money.
Yeah good thing they take it from lottery winners up front.
Like schools
Congratulations to the lottery company who was allowed to advertise a $400m prize as $1.28b.
Yep, that's the real issue!
Over here it's not taxed so prizes are smaller but they represent reality!
You'd get significantly more if you didn't take it in a lump sum
Damn, only half a billion dollars you didn't have before. Might as well not even bother.
True, it's too much for any individual either way
So we do all realize that advertised jackpots are annuitized amounts and that the vast majority take the net present value lump sum, which is usually about half the advertised amount, right?
Winner probably got about six hundred million, of which roughly forty percent was taken for taxes give or take state income tax rates.
Not being from the US I didn’t know that. That takes something from being completely unreasonable to be understandable.
I can’t believe some fake rich guy on the internet lied to us!
Still, if they’re not idiots the winner doesn’t have to work again so they’re still good.
That takes something from being completely unreasonable to be understandable.
Why would taxing a gross income of above a billion US$ by ~66% be "completely unreasonable"? Imo taxes for such incomes should generally be higher if anything.
I was with you till the last paragraph. The numbers are already there for you, so I don't know where 6 hundred million came from.
The $1.28 billion is if you take monthly payments over a term of twenty or thirty years.
Very few people do that.
Instead, they take an up front lump sum payment.
That up front payment is the amount the lottery commission would put into interest bearing bonds to pay out over time, getting to the $1.28 billion.
The lump sum payment is usually about half the amount you would receive if you took payments over time. If this doesn't make sense, it's a tangential discussion on the time value of money and its net present value.
I got six hundred million by cutting $1.2 billion in half since this is casual Internet discourse, and I consider very rough cocktail napkin math for illustrative purposes to be perfectly acceptable.
Damn I think I would take the monthly payments. I wouldn't complain about ~$3m a month for 30 years. Whatever problems you have that money would resolve would probably be resolved in the first month.
But you didn't need to do back-of-napkin math, at all. He got $433.7 million.
The 433.7 million is after paying taxes on the lump sum.
Nominal Jackpot: 1.2B
Lump sum: ~600 M
Taxes on lump sum: ~167M
Post-tax winnings: 433.7M
My point was that the IRS didn't take the eight hundred million stated, but probably closer to two hundred million.
But we all love to get angry about anything and everything, especially when we think we've scored Internet gotcha points, so enjoy.
I did not know advertised jackpots were annuitized. Thanks!
Is it even worth collecting the prize at this point?? /s
Gotta pay for all those new agents.
The IRS is chronically underfunded. They can't keep the money, it goes to Aunt Sam.
And btw the IRS has not enough staff to investigatevif rich people pay their fair share, therefore they go mostly for normal people.
