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[–] LiamMayfair@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Strawman aside, anyone who thinks national socialism has anything to do with socialism needs to seriously educate themselves on Nazi ideology. Socialism to Hitler was nothing more than a buzzword he used to boost approval rates and votes quickly

As soon as they came into power, the Nazis did a complete 180° and swept every single promise they had made under the rug, kicking out or straight up murdering anyone, even in their own party (e.g. Sturmabteilung), who may have genuinely believed the party's socialist façade.

Their socialist agenda was not the only falsehood the Nazis pushed though (surprising, I know!). The only three things the Nazis actually believed in were:

  • Hitler
  • Jews/Poles/anyone Hitler didn't like = kill
  • Germany is entitled to take what they want from anyone because Lebensraum
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Unfortunately in the west we are heavily indoctrinated against socialism. Or even knowing what socialism is. While at the same time heavily apologist to groups and parties closely aligned to the Nazis and the fascists. A large group of Republican legislators and their wealthy friends wanted a fascist overthrow around the same time Hitler attempted his first coup. They were never punished nor was the party ever admonished or reformed. To this day the descendants of people likely involved are still in power.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Socialism is when Democrats do things. Especially when they give things to people who aren't me. Doubly especially if they aren't white.

That's socialism. And Naziism.

(/s since Poe struck other people here already)

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[–] Onionizer@geddit.social 1 points 1 year ago

This isn't true. They didn't immediatly do a 180, instead they slowly escalated. They got in power in 1933 and the holocaust started in 1941, 8 years later.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (35 children)

Modern-day fascists are desperate to distance themselves from the nazis, despite the fact that the nazis are literally their idols.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Authoritarians and fascists often lie about what they are to make themselves more attractive to morons. The Nazis had nothing to do with "socialism."

For example, North Korea calls itself the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea." It's not Democratic. It's not "the people's." And it's definitely not a Republic.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Chinese communist party? China has one of the largest wealth disparities of any country. They spew pollution out of newly built coal plants because they care about money above all else. They're capitalists for fuck sake!

[–] nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, simple counterpoint to anyone making that claim: is Democratic People's Republic of Korea democratic?

[–] bleepbloopbleep@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The GDR (German Democratic Republic) wasn't democratic as well. Namen sind Schall und Rauch.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 1 points 1 year ago

"No problem, I'll just misinterpret Godwin's Law." - the same brain dead people

[–] sLLiK@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

When a small but dedicated group of vocal people started unironically and emphatically believing the planet was a pancake, I lost a significant portion of my lingering reserves of hope for the future of mankind.

Extremist politics and all the associated mindsets have long since jumped a row of sharks in my mind by comparison.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is why I try to use authoritarian -ism when I'm not being lazy. The reality is it's nothing to do with left or right, it's about control.

[–] potterpockets@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The argument can at the very best be very loosely made about the early NAZI party before the Night of the Long Knives. There were some incredibly loose planks in the platform up to that point that could be described as progressive/socialist. Not that any of the leaders with the possible exception of Röhm actually believed it. It was just a tactic of throwing out anything that would garner support to the movement. In this case to bolster interest among poor workers that would have been more inclined to side with the parties on the left.

[–] Bogrug@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most Americans have no idea what socialism is. You’re not supposed to think about it here. They just hear that socialism is bad and it’s in the name of the nazi party which is also bad, so that tracks.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's literally their whole reasoning. I've had to deal with a number of those all the way back in 2014, "national sOcIaLiSm"

Of course, whenever I pointed to The Guardian's interview with Hitler in 1923 (and republished in 1932), where he energetically complains about marxists (marxians, as he calls them) "stealing" the socialist term from "real germans" and actively calls for the end of bolshevism, I was completely ignored.

"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

[–] hare_ware@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Wait, but what did he even mean by "socialism" here? I get call what was happening in Russia not socialism, but what was the un-Marxist form of socialism Hitler was talking about? Also, wasn't Marx also German, did Hitler see him as not a "real german"?

[–] jagot@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Marx was famously also Jewish.

[–] hare_ware@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

Ah, yeah, that'll do it.

[–] maxcorbetti@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

He's opportunistcally envokning it as socialism is popular, but cares for nothing other than the political clout the label may bring.

Fascism exists to capture popular revolutionary sentiment, while preserving the old power structure.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It was totally leftist...which is why small business owners backed them and other conservative parties formed government with them.

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