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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Which is why it's so absolutely fucked up Biden went around Congress for it, especially since Congress would have approved it anyways.

The fact that Biden is fine doing this in the run up to 2024 and will do shit like this that risks trump winning...

Shows that Biden is the last fucking person we want running against trump.

I don't even think Hillary is stupid enough to do this, and she has the absolute worst instincts regarding elections of any politician in the last 50 years

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Doesn't matter who the president is, Israel is still going to get US (western) support. The alternative is an unwinnable war between Iran and Israel would kill millions of people. The US president cannot change these facts. Israel is going to get a pass here.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

We had to give hitler Poland, otherwise we'd have to refer to The Great War as something super depressing like World War 1....

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Iran again as an execuse to kill Palestinians kids..

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Uh... How is Iran getting to Israel again?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I can see an argument that strong support of Israel will win over traditional conservatives.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh yes, those magical Republicans that will start voting D if we make the democratic party just a little shittier...

Meanwhile 1/3 of eligible voters don't vote, and their most common complaint is "both parties do too much fucked up shit for me to support and don't help normal Americans enough".

Yet for some reason, we won't ever try doing less fucked up shit or helping normal Americans to get their vote...

Anyone ever notice when moderates want to compromise, it's always towards the right?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Politicians don't see non-voters as a safe bet. It's a lot more likely they won't show up regardless of what the politicians does. From their perspective it is safer to try and sway people who do vote and might be able to be persuaded. Democrats aren't going to vote for Trump regardless. The easiest path to victory is to convince the 1/3 or so Republicans who don't like Trump that another 4 years of Biden won't be so bad. That's enough to win.

Edit: not saying I agree with this, just that is the argument.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Politicians don’t see non-voters as a safe bet

If they sat through 2008, 2016, and 2020 and think that, then they have no clue what is going on.

Which looking at the leadership of both parties, I guess that doesn't prove you wrong....

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anyone ever notice when ~~moderates~~ stupid fucking morons want to compromise, it's always towards the right?

FTFY

[–] hark@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

You just substituted in a synonym. Not exactly a fix.

[–] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

Except they're going to vote for a Republican regardless. It's a bullshit argument used to hand waive away a non-Republican's complicity in furthering the genocide.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Which is why it’s so absolutely fucked up Biden went around Congress for it, especially since Congress would have approved it anyways.

Which means now, none of the democrats who would have voted for it will have it on their record the next time an election comes around. Biden himself is fairly safe, but many of the Ds could have lost the next time around from that.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Biden is choosing support of Israel over the future of the U.S.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

Fuck this guy.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Genocide Joe does it again!

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 14 points 10 months ago

As if any leading presidential candidates would bat an eye at doing this and/or more. Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, against all advice, and inflamed tensions even more than they were at the time.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I become increasingly certain this fucker arranged this "war" so he wasn't facing a corruption court. He's been moving heaven and earth to change the judicial system in order to avoid it, it's entirely believable he would pull a false-flag operation to achieve the same ends. He knows the minute the fighting stops, he's in a jail cell.

[–] Javi_in_4k@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How the hell did we end up being Israel's bitch? What are we getting it out of it?

[–] Bleach7297@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

An ally in the middle east, because oil 🛢️ 🌍

[–] Javi_in_4k@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Israel doesn't have oil. Don't we have Saudi arabi and Qatar for that?

[–] Bleach7297@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago

Israel's neighbours have oil, and Israel lets the US keep their guns etc there.

So yes, not directly about oil -- more like 'national security' -- but that ultimately (and increasingly ironically) amounts to oil.