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So, Instagram has started pushing threads into users’ feed, and every now and then we get a glimpse into the unmoderated crapshoot that is that app…

L.E.: should be noted I do not have a threads account, have never even downloaded the app, this is sorta like “advertising” to try to convince you to move to their platform.

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[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 180 points 10 months ago (28 children)

I’m honestly surprised and shocked that Nazism is rising up again. It is a scary idea that, that ideology is growing bit by bit.

Have people not learnt about and from the past?

[–] talos_the_true_god@lemmy.world 104 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I think it’s quite likely they’ve learned too well about the past. If recent history (and internet-documented behavior patterns) are to be analyzed, I think it shows that people yearn for power and control over others: just look at all the karens, the reddit mods (you know which kind), the trolls, supporters of certain parties and so on.

I guess they imagine that extremist regimes will provide them with that power, without taking a moment to think “oh, wait, the chances that I’ll be the one oppressing and not the one oppressed are miniscule” (and that’s setting all other moral things aside).

It’s a scary thought, like you said.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 10 months ago

I think part of that stems from a lack of control over their own lives. They feel powerless in their own situation in life, and an easy excuse fed to them to satisfy that lack of control is by stomping on somebody else. "It's not our fault that your life sucks, it's obviously insert minority here who's to blame!"

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (6 children)

The United States was the primary source of inspiration for the German Nazis. Even as the fascist Nazi party was rising up in Germany. They were mimicking fascists in the United States. The German beer hall putch was not an isolated or unique event. The fascists here in the United States had the business plot. Which FDR almost completely dropped the ball on in exchange for short-term gains. Letting these seditious fascist escape with their lives to regroup and continue plotting. Long ago having clawed back most of the short-term gains FDR got.

Within barely a generation they were running bigoted racists like Nixon and winning. Soon followed by the rather open protofascist Reagan. Whose vice president was former head spook at the CIA. The same CIA that had spent much of the early 20th century overthrowing democracies and destabilizing the rest of the world. He also happened to be the son of the man that was most likely to have been their intended leader to install as fascist dictator. Who's coke adult son a little over a decade later followed in his father's footsteps.

Fascists in the US at least have never had consequences to learn from. They've barely had to setbacks. They just slow boiled it here. But we still arrived at poisoning the blood of our country and blood and soil. Eventually. January 6th was not even the first Republican coup plot that we know about.

And there are plenty in the UK and Europe that learned the wrong lessons from world war II as well.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago

People HAVE learnt from the past. It’s just the wrong people, and they learned the wrong lessons.

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's kind of a cycle with capitalism. There's no real way to control it other than to get rid of capitalism altogether.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

yes! historically, the only way we have ever defeated fascism so far was with socialism.

i hate that people are watching nazism grow and are still timid about actually embracing the fight against it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That simply isn't true unless your definition of "socialism" is an alliance of segregation era American liberals, the British Empire, the Chinese Kuomintang warlords, and Stalinists, in which case

Uh, okay bro.

Now if you want to say "socialism removes the pressures that create support for fascism instead of creating them like in capitalism," sure, okay.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago

As the number of people who personally had interactions with the OG Nazis continues to reduce toward zero, the people who are following that same fascist ideology will start to slither their way into influence and the whole cycle will try to repeat.

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[–] deleted@lemmy.world 74 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is that 1d mean it was posted a day ago?

Shit, how come it can survive a whole day without being removed.

[–] talos_the_true_god@lemmy.world 90 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A bunch of friends who actively use the app were praising it for its “freedom of speech” and “unmoderated nature”. Showed me some pretty foul things while they were at it :)) safe to say, I’ve started to move away from them

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

A bunch of friends who actively use the app were praising it for its “freedom of speech” and “unmoderated nature”. Showed me some pretty foul things while they were at it :)) safe to say, I’ve started to move away from them

And that's why any social media algorithm would think you'd be interested in such things. Report and block.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

Looks like they got it by now.

Must’ve had tons of engagement (hopefully comments decrying it). Perhaps more comments than reports, and/or an underfunded moderation team.

Who am I kidding, definitely underfunded moderation teams.

[–] throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 58 points 10 months ago (5 children)
[–] talos_the_true_god@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

SANTA IS A MARXIST??? HAHHAHA!

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 21 points 10 months ago

It all starts with the beard you see.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Beyond dumb, it's hilarious

[–] Someone64@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’m pretty sure it’s satire and not even trying to hide it considering all the angry emojis and the fact that they’re a comedy sketch duo.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 34 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If they have anything to do with the lemmy instance of the same name I'm afraid that's wishful thinking.

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[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The fat, jolly, red-suit-wearing Santa as we know it today, created by Coca-Cola to sell more product, is a Marxist. TIL. 😂

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[–] praxis_jack@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

I saw a couple other screenshots of unhinged threads post ads on insta that were straight up trans hate posts. Guess they're really trying to show off their "free speech"

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Based Meta marketing person making ads that turn people away from Threads.

[–] Pogbom@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

Or trying to attract people that prefer Twitter :P

[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

The funny windmill men also 8 thousand likes WTF

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

The number of Nazis on the internet should come as no surprise. It's not even surprising that so little is done about it or that almost no one cares. The only surprising part is that advertising used to be free of this shit.

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[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 23 points 10 months ago

🦣🦣🦣Mastodons unit! Defederate Meta!!🦣🦣🦣

[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not an ad. It's Meta showing how it's.

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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago

A great screenshot nevertheless. This ugly thing always peaking from around the corner for any chance to thrive.

[–] marretics@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 10 months ago

They seem to know their clientele

[–] roon@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

They did nazi that coming

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I wonder how many people actually are nazis and how many are edgy teenagers trying to piss off people online. Surely the number of true shitbags can't be this high.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 36 points 10 months ago

They may start off as edgy teenagers, but there’s that whole gazing into the abyss thing you have to worry about

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 31 points 10 months ago (7 children)

When someone tells you they're a nazi, there's no downside to taking them at their word.

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 8 points 10 months ago

You touch on a REALLY interesting point actually, where this whole thing of "being a Nazi" has sorta gone underground in the last several years (evolution = survival of the fittest, so if the feds crack down on any group that CLAIMS to be Nazis, hence all of a sudden the remaining groups that were not cracked down upon yet find it expedient to no longer make that CLAIM... while being essentially the same in every other respect, though this is a vast oversimplification).

Thus there is a truly astonishing number of people who literally are not even aware that they are Nazi-adjacent, perhaps 1 or 2 or 3 steps away from it while continually being groomed to be actual, full-on Nazis, and/or to support their policies. i.e. they might not hate Jews yet, but do worry about why illegals are not being deported with haste b/c they are "stealing our jobs" (never mind that they... are not, at least not those jobs that anyone actually wants - those are facts and always remember that those have no place in brainwashing techniques:-D).

The Alt-Right Playbook series by Innuendo Studies goes into great depth on this subject, if you are interested. Especially "How to Radicalize a Normie" iirc (but I'm not logged in right now and it's flagged as age-restricted so I cannot double-check - anyway the entire series is VERY eye-opening and I think extremely worthwhile).

So in one sense you are correct: the number of people who unabashedly admit to being "Nazis" has fallen sharply, and the number of teenagers (+ adults:-P) who are shitposting will (thankfully?) never change, whereas the number of people who will be e.g. fascist while claiming to fight against fascists, really, truly, honestly, and unironically actually are fairly high. So high that in fact there is a very good chance of them winning the next presidential election in the USA. And buried within that enormously large group, deeply hidden so that very few barely admit even to themselves more than a tiny portion of that reality, are a core that are true, full-on Nazis. Of the kind that will go, plus take along as many sheeple as they can gather around them (to use as meat-shields as nothing else), to bloody violence to achieve their ends. After all, just like Russia pushing into Ukraine, if nobody acts to stop them, then why not?

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 10 points 10 months ago

As far as I can see the moderation there is shit.

Non-english posts are a shit show.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ok, that one is a legitimate concern.

edit: post appears to have been deleted, but the account is still there

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