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I'm still trying to de-Google my life, little by little. I don't trust Bing for similar reasons. DDG is feeling shady of late. What's the search engine you all recommend that I can inject into my daily life? Is there perhaps a search engine that is focused on code, or have we just all moved on to AI for searching?

Edit: I meant to also express my frustration that most browsers do not let you select a "default search engine" that can be used in the address bar aside from 3-5 pre-chosen engines. Seems like 2023 we should be able to customize that to our own liking.

Edit 2: Thanks for the recommendation of Kagi. I'm going to roll with it for a while. I see they have an extension for Safari that allows them to hijack the address bar, which is just what I needed.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 79 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just make a post in NoStupidQuestions and use y'all like a search engine. :P

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[–] jflorez@sh.itjust.works 76 points 10 months ago (1 children)

DuckDuckGo on Firefox. If you truly want to de-google your life avoid Chrome and Chromium based browsers like Edge and Brave

[–] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 58 points 10 months ago (13 children)

I'm out of the loop on DDG, what did they do?

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not sure on the shady part, but I have stopped using them simply because they give me the same crap as Bing. Web search is almost dead, I’ve been thinking of trying one of the paid options. I’ve read good things about kagi

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

i don't get this, i get perfectly fine search results with ddg..

i get finding the results slightly worse but dead? stop it with this absurd hyperbole

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[–] nix@merv.news 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

https://kagi.com no ads, great results. It’s $5 a month but worth it imo

[–] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Seconding. Kagi is the only one that was able to replace Google for me.

[–] graymess@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I need to try it out. If it's as good as its reputation implies and stays that way, I'd be $5/mo amount of interested. But I have no idea how many times I'm going to need to search for something per month. Not a fan of that limitation.

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[–] jcrabapple@infosec.pub 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Half a dozen people in here already mentioned it, but Kagi has completely changed the search game and changed the way I use the Internet. It's like an old school search engine with modern conveniences like a chat bot and summarizer, but without the ads and other shenanigans.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Ugh, paid. In this economy!?

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's either your wallet or your personal information...

A surprisingly and insanely expensive to run and manage a search engine that isn't just a reskin on bing (DDG). Even more so when you can't mine your users for data.

Kagei is doing really good stuff and the quality of results I get are much higher. The $10/m is it easily paid off within even a day or two's use in my normal job. Never mind all the personal research that I do.

Is a different model that is a not providing you with the best results that you are looking for. As opposed to steering you towards ads or towards partnerships. I like it.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I totally get the sentiment of saying when you pay you are not the product, however... what does any company stop from still collecting data anyway? I know that the kagi people deny that but why should anyone trust that.

Companies have fucked customers/consumers over so much, there is no trusting anyone when it comes to data collection. It is just so easy. Even if they don't use it right now, why not just collect it anyway.

So, while I'd love to pay a little bit to support a service like that, I am so jaded by how dishonest companies have been about stuff like that, that I am not really willing to also give them money in addition.

[–] festus@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

I know, that was my reaction at first too. But I tried it for a month and honestly it's an amazing search engine. If it helps you to know, when you search they also use the (paid) search APIs of other search engines and aggregate the results in a way to get something better than any individual engine - so your searches actually have a decent marginal cost for them.

[–] jcrabapple@infosec.pub 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

except it's not for me... I search way, way more than 300/month and $10/m honestly sounds a little unreasonable for a search engine.

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[–] deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Firefox allowed you to define the default search and have many many engines listed. That's been a standard feature for many years.

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 22 points 10 months ago

even simpler – Firefox will auto-detect a lot of search engines – right-click in the search/address bar and if Firefox can detect it, bottom option will be to add that engine to your list

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kagi. Nothing else even comes close. Kagi is what Google used to be, before they decided they'll show you whatever is profitable, rather than what they know you're looking for.

[–] MSids@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Not sure I'm ready to pay for search especially not at $5-10/mo.

[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yep. Like $1.99 or $2.99 I can easily justify but $5/mo for only 300 searches feels too steep to me reguardless of result quality. I'll just go through the other pages of results from any other search engine.

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[–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I use SearXNG. It is a meta search engine so it use results from various other search engines and you can specify which with !. It does the job for me.

[–] CetaceanNeeded@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

My favourite feature is that you can host it yourself, you can even set it up to search over tor or VPN if you're super privacy conscious.

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[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Honestly I feel like searxng is way better than it gets credit for. It clearly isn’t as powerful as google but it isn’t drowning in SEO crap so that difference is entirely negated and then some.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Kagi is by far the best search engine I've ever used. It is paid though.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

check out ecosia.org! plant trees while you search! 🌳

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Kagi.com

Duckduckgo if you use a vpn, everyone else throws speedbumos at VPN users... Prove your a human...

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 months ago (6 children)

The best I've found is Mojeek. The results take some getting used to because we're all used to Google's fuckery, but I've been using it for months, and it's quite good.

There's also SearXNG, though I'm not sure if that fits your needs. A couple public instances I've liked are:

https://searx.tiekoetter.com/

https://search.fuckoffgoogle.net/

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Random SearX Redirector – basically just that, sends your search to a random working SearXNG instance

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[–] EmasXP@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I really enjoy Mojeek. It gives you results you would not get anywhere else. I see high value in that

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[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago

Kagi

It's a paid subscription but it's better than Google, I've found.

https://kagi.com/

[–] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Meta search engines:

  • SearX

    Open source, self hostable meta search engine.

  • SearXNG

    Better version of SearX. A list of SearX and SearXNG instances is available at https://searx.space

Also meta search engines, but different:

  • DuckDuckGo

    It's very privacy friendly, but it gets all the search results from Microsoft's Bing.

  • Startpage

    Basically the same thing but it uses Google results. They are really focused on privacy too, they even are on Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@StartpageSearch

    They're based in the EU (Netherlands) so they are also subject to the GDPR.

Independent:

  • Brave Search

    They recently stopped using Google and Bing and created their own search index. It appears to be privacy friendly, but the company behind Brave is not ideal.

  • Mojeek

    A small privacy focused search engine, that uses its own index. They're also on Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@Mojeek

  • Kagi

    I've seen many many people recommend it, but I have never really used it myself. It's not free, they charge $5/month for 300 searches and $10 for unlimited searches.

[–] EmasXP@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Been using Qwant for maybe a year or so. Recently found Swisscows too. I am not sure if Qwant uses their own index. I remember that they said that they were to create their own index, but the results looks suspiciously similar to Bing. Swisscows for sure runs their own index, and I find the results to be rather good

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[–] HansSlonzok@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Kagi is the best around if you are willing to pay. If I had to cancel my subscription for whatever reason, I would go back to DDG.

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[–] brenno@lemmy.brennoflavio.com.br 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Another option is SearXNG. It's meta search engine, which means that it aggregates other search engines like Google and Bing but without tracking or logging, because your searches are proxied using a public instance, that will mix your search with the ones from other people.

And about default search engine, don't know what you're talking about, both chrome and Firefox allows this, in mobile and desktop.

https://searx.space/

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