"Goodbye" exists because of 15th century chatspeak. It's a highly abbreviated version of "God be with ye"
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Ah dave chappelle.
Sad that the worlds humour was faster living than himself.
That whole debate is one of the dumbest things to come out of America.
The rest of the world doesn't worry about it, because Christmas is like 90% secular. The Christians do their thing today, and leave the rest of us to celebrate Christmas with friends and family and too many cold cuts of meat. You can say happy holidays and nobody's gonna get upset, but even as a non-Christian I'm more likely to wish you a merry Christmas.
(The poms and their "happy Christmas" are weird though. Just sounds wrong.)
In Danish you don't even have a way of saying "happy holidays". It's just "glædelig jul".
And 'jul' comes from the nordic word 'yule' which means Christmas before religion high jacked it.
Yule is much older than Christmas, dating back to the viking age. And they have similar traditions.
FYI, the majority of Americans don't give a shit either and think it's embarrassingly stupid.
The whole thing is tilting at windmills. Nobody gives a shit what you say but they want to fight this supposed force out there trying to control what people say. It doesn't exist in a way where it will ever matter.
(The poms and their "happy Christmas" are weird though. Just sounds wrong.)
As a Brit I've never heard happy Christmas. It's always merry Christmas. Then it's happy new year.
Isn't that famous John Lennon song called, "Happy Christmas (War is Over)"?
He was a Brit if I'm not mistaken.
It's widespread
Must be regional. Definitely not a thing in the southeast.
My dad's from lincs my mom's frum brum and they've always said it so it's definitely midlands
It just proves you can convince conservatives to be angry and scared about literally anything.
Fyi, "happy Christmas" is just the normal phrasing in the UK. "Merry Christmas" didn't start to spread until A Christmas Carol was published.
Will you be going on holiday?
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How dare you take jesus out of my culturally appropriated pagan celebration!
Breakfast is the first meal you eat after breaking your fast.
You mean that without sleep we would eat all the time?
I would
I frequently midnight snack. I'll wander down and eat some cookies in the middle of the night.
Which is why, to piss of the Christians this year, we all have to say "happy solstace"
Jovial Saturnalia
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There are some Christian denominations that celebrate Christmas in January.
Also for some countries, they do Christmas Day on the 24th. Poland for instance tends to have the big family get together dinner on the 24th.
But yeah, you can also have Hanukkah, Diwali, Kwanza, New Years, Eid/ end of Ramadan, you could even throw in Lunar New Year which can be early January. Also St.Stephens Day/Boxing day, Los Posadas. Even the Satanic Temple has the festival of Sol Invictus if you wanted to include that too lol.
I think nearly all European countries except the English speaking, celebrates at 24th.
In Italy we are split between terroni (24th evening celebration and 25th lunch celebration) and polentoni (25th lunch and 26 lunch)
At the end happens often that families are mixed so you do all the 3. On top of that you have friends to meet and what's best than another lunch/dinner?
Orthodox Christians celebrate on 7th of January
I'm in the US, and our family has always had the big get together on the 24th with extended family, then the morning of the 25th is a more personal thing where our individual families (and their children now) get together and exchange gifts.
So I don't know if there's any real generalization like that.
Everyone is never everyone in the real world. I do think though, that the general majority in each country does the same thing.
And what you described is not the European way but the "English" way, confirming my statement.
True. Happy holidays was accidentally inclusive, as opposed to it being designed that way. It was just used as another way to say Merry Christmas.
We also celebrate yalda night in there.
Winter solstice time tends to be culturally significant for most.
for some countries, they do Christmas Day on the 24th. Poland for instance tends to have the big family get together dinner on the 24th.
It's the same in Denmark, I wonder if it's a Northern European thing? I think Poland is mostly Catholic whereas Denmark is Lutheran protestant, so it's not just denomination.
Some of these, especially Valentine's day, could also be labeled "commercial" but I guess that's the nature of capitalism to commercialize any kind of festivities.
Tbf, Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, and Father's Day at least were created specifically by Hallmark to sell cards. So they were created as capitalistic commercial scams...
Valentine's Day was originally a celebration of Saint Valentine. Like Christmas, it got rolled under the capitalist machine until the modern holiday became completely unrecognizable from its roots.
I think they're thinking of Sweetest Day.
St. Valentine's day did not start as a secular celebration. St. Valentine lived in what is now Turkey, he became known as the patron saint of love because he used to marry Christians in secret when it was illegal to do so under Islamic rule.
According to Wikipedia St Valentine was a bishop in modern day Italy about 300 years before Islam even formed. So while that is a nice story I don't think it's true.
well crap. now I wonder what story I got today confused.
But this would upend the entire war on xmas narrative.
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