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[–] madmaurice@discuss.tchncs.de 68 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be fair. That's the Christmas market on the Altmarkt in Dresden and there's a huge parking garage right below it. πŸ˜„

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Americans thinking that Europeans don't own cars is almost as dumb as Europeans thinking Americans never walk anywhere.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i mean... I'm basically the only American i know that has actually chosen to walk as a real way to get somewhere in the last 5 years.

the idea that most Americans literally never walk anywhere isn't inaccurate. especially for anyone living outside of a city.

[–] norgur@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 10 months ago

Well, I was in a student exchange to Boise, Idaho about 20 years ago and did a daily walk around the neighborhood for some fresh air. Three days in, I was stopped by a frantic police officer with his fucking gun drawn because someone had reported me as some kind of child molester who was scouting for victims, because someone just walking was a completely alien concept there.

I was taken to the fucking police station because the policeman thought I was making shit up either. My host family had to wiggle around with my German passport and threaten to get the Embassy involved until they decided I wasn't worth the hassle and dropped the whole thing... So I learned two things from that exchange:

  1. 'Muricans do not know what "walking" is
  2. US police is next level power tripping
[–] madmaurice@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

Well you obviously can't drive the truck to the bathroom. 🀑 jk

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 40 points 10 months ago

Given the amount of alcohol involved in these christmas markets, it really is a good thing that there’s not much parking space.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's like none of you have actually been to a city in the USA having an event. Do any of you see times square on various holidays or have been to a parade?

[–] wsweg@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But America bad and its people stupid

[–] adorablepeanut@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Well, no. However, the way that roughly half of y'all vote is utterly incomprehensible from this side of the pond.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What if I told you a car is not necessary for travel. Take the red ticket, and it all ends. You board your flight and go back to the west, back to your long highways and calculated suburbs. But take the blue ticket, and I show you how far these two feet can walk.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think colours should be flipped

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Sorry, America is backwards land.

[–] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yes because the average american has made a choice to have a car-centric society with car-centric infrastructure and could totally just not use a car to get 8 miles across town and back for their job every day how silly of us

[–] qbus@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

No current American has made that decision. It was made for us after world war II

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I can't comprehend the joke.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Europe has working public transit, so parking garages aren't needed to the same level as American cities.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There are lots of American cities with large open-air commercial areas which are car-free.

For example, the Santa Monica Third Street Promenade.

Which has a farmer's market.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Oh I've been to New York and the Wash DC Smithsonian, likely the two best public transit systems in the USA. BART in San Fran also is fine but could be better.

But I've also gone to Madrid, Tokyo and some other cities around the world. There's no comparison. Best in the USA is closer to average of Europe, while average of USA is pretty bad public transit wise.

Ex: I've also gone to big cities like Nashville, Manilla Philippines, Los Angeles where things are closer to bus-only and the local traffic suffers greatly as a result. The general expectation in the USA is that 'public transit is for the underclass'. In contrast, you do see rich people take Wash DC metro, NYC, and especially Tokyo's subway. And it makes a difference when both rich and poor take the same system.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And yet plenty of American cities still have large, car-free areas.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

But all USA cities are car-first designed. As opposed to European model where cars are actively being de-prioritized on a city level.

Except like, New York City. One place in USA where walking works extremely well across the whole of Manhattan. But further out is less good transit, but the central island is well made.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Moreso cities on the west coast are more car centric. East coast cities predate cars by quite a bit. Sure many east coast cities modified themselves to accommodate cars, but their layout originally was suited for walking and horse travel.

[–] yiliu@informis.land 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Lots" of American cities seems like an exaggeration.

Some American cities have certain areas which are car-free.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How many European cities are 100% car-free?

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wasn't Paris's speed limit set to like 15mph?

Multiple cities in Europe are becoming 'Walking First' cities where cars are effectively 2nd class.

Car free? No. But cars are being de-prioritized extremely these days.

[–] Alborlin@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not car free but i can definitely tell you there is possibility to walk, public transit in MOST of EU cities. Starting from Scandinavia, almost any city with pop , 10k or more will have generally bus transport, and probable connectivity to nearest big city by train/bus, big cities have metro (Stockholm) that I know of Germany has vast network of rail(although it's schisse at moment with DB) , within cities its bus , that I know of . France almost any big city will have bus, tram and/or metro and long distance trains Same for spains cities , Netherlands is famous for its Public transport This is from what I know

Cars are severely slow and given less prio in these countries, in any of big city e.g. Barcelona, Paris, Hague, you can see you can go faster by public transportation or almost same time as car for same destinations , check it out in Google maps with comparisons

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Spain has 195mph trains as well connecting huge swaths of the country. I fortunately was able to experience this.

The American concept of a "road trip" is just not the same in Europe. The Trains are far faster than your car would ever go. No reason to putter around at 80mph on a fast American highway when Europe just has faster modes of transit.

Long distance? Train. Short-distance? Train and/or bus. Its really easy over there, but difficult in America.


That being said: American Freight Rail moves way more than Europe Freight ever does. One of the problems here in the USA is that freight is the priority, and freight just doesn't need to be as fast as Passenger traffic. We kind of need to build a 2nd, separate rail system, to get anything like the Europeans have.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Even though this image is the above ground view of a giant ass parking garage. You all eat this shit up hook line and sinker.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a joke that's circled round like an Ouroboros. Americans say "The European mind can not comprehend this" under images of racing trucks with US flags on. Then Europeans do this in response.

So many have been made with varying degrees of irony to the point it's meaningless.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

πŸ‘ŒπŸ‘

[–] db2@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It appears to be 'hurr durr 'mericans'.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The first time I took a cab in Germany, I went to a mall; dude drove right into the building. I was like "wtf is this dude doing?" As we passed a parking area and went through the concourse.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This looks like a fancy neighborhood. I'm guessing it's mostly valet.

First time Dresden got called a fancy neighbourhood since 1945