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[–] Junkers_Klunker@lemmy.world 132 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You forgot how they singlehandedly won WW2

[–] espentan@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If today, I wonder if the US would be more reluctant to get involved in that war, considering how seemingly half the country wish Hitler were their president.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 104 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

More reluctant? It's arguable that if Japan did not directly attack the US they never would have joined. "America First" was a powerful political group that urged elected officials and the public to stay out of European wars even if Hitler took over all of Europe. America First disbanded after Pearl Harbor. Fun fact: Dr. Seuss got his start parodying this group in political cartoons.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

however, it was controversial for the anti-Semitic and pro-fascist views of some of its most prominent speakers, leaders, and members.

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[–] espentan@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I'm well aware, hence the word more.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if they want it more now or wanted it more then. This is a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in New York City in 1939:

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[–] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know. A lot of ideas about eugenics came from the US to Nazi Germany. US' support of allies was more political than ideological, and that in turn changed US ideology. Also, death camps which are the automatically objectionable act weren't known (or maybe weren't happening yet, I'm hazy on this) before Pearl Harbor.

[–] isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's so fucking wild that Germany just ends up getting used as a scapegoat, so we can blame someone else in the history books, and gloss over one's own country's eugenics programs.

[–] lugal@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

And we Germans embrace it fully. We build our modern nationalism on our commemorative culture and the "never again" and how not patriotic we are (paradoxically). So much so that we forget our colonial history. In 1904, we did the first genocide of the century (the Herero and Namaqua genocide) but all we talk about in history classes is Hitler.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We have that opinion now because the west took in and harboured all the smart Nazi's that did the research and developed the technology.

The problem wasnt Nazi policies, the problem was destabilized world order. Leaders easily look the other way on moral issues when power is at stake.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nah, that's mean to the Nazis. Republicans love Nazis now.

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[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

And then realized that hitler was actually a pretty good guy, the best guy, not better than me, but really great. The whole thing was a hoax though, a witch hunt, blah blah, A lot of really good people on both sides, blah blah, poisoning the blood of our country, blah blah Jewish space lasers.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  1. Hitler wasn’t so bad

  2. Slavery was good for black people

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wasn't taught much from the "slavery is good" angle in GA. It was more subtle, framed as mostly information about the goods traded and what slaves produced for the countries they were in. Like, it was all about the slave trade industry and not how awful the conditions were.

Lots of information glossed over in favor of capitalism.

[–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think TheJims was referencing the fact that Florida has recently added the explicit idea that slaves benefited from slavery (that they developed skills, for example, being one of the things they claim the slaves benefited from) to their curriculum.

[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Yeah it’s a bit less than subtle now

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. God created everything 6000 years ago
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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 10 months ago (4 children)

They wouldn't pass up on WWII since that's the last time we were honestly seen as the good guys to the world. The Cold War would probably be there too just to show "communism doesn't work".

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

WWII might be risky because some students might ask what specifically made the world consider the axis evil.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

"Well, little Timmy, you may have heard some other things about that whcih we're not allowed to talk about, but the truth is that there were some Germans who believed ardently in the German state's rights to do, uh, ...stuff."

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They wouldn't pass up on WWII since that's the last time we were honestly seen as the good guys to the world.

Literally the only time anyone thought you were the good guys lol.

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[–] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You’d think they would want to talk about the Civil war too. That was a notable event in history where the democrat party of the time was the bad guys and wanted to keep slavery legal.

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[–] ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The moon landing wouldn’t be up there in red states.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It would be, but only to talk about how it was a waste of taxpayer money

[–] ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

True but depends how delusional they are. Some are further lost than others. Drinking the koolaid too much.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The moon landing wouldn’t be up there in red states.

Of course it would. It is one of the few actually valid examples of American exceptionalism which nationalists absolutely require as the underpinnings to their myopic ethos. In addition to teaching the history of this wonderful achievement, it will also be taught how these events never actually took place to support their claims the government actively lies to the American people requiring action for citizens to "take back" the country. Questions for both viewpoints will be on the midterm, so remember to study.

If you're wondering how these two contradictory ideas can be taught in the same classroom, then remember in MAGA school the class taught immediately prior to history is "Learning to live with Cognitive Dissonance".

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[–] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (5 children)
[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Also gotta teach both theories of how the moon landing could have happened...

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[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No way they let people learn about the moon landing.

[–] adrian783@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

(how) the moon landing (was faked)

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait until they mandate teaching about Jan 6th tourist visit to the Capitol

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Moon landing was fake though, you can't teach something that is fake. /s

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

That's probably what they'll teach. That it was a fake liberal lie to undermine the glorious nation of Russia.

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[–] user45178@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

The space Odyssey?

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago
[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Probably something in there about poverty and crime rates soaring after the liberal North forced the glorious and God fearing South to end the benevolent system of slavery that provided free housing and healthcare to those poor incapable souls in its care.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 17 points 10 months ago

Let's be real here.

The Moon Landing ain't gonna be on there.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

maybe our president should make an executive order federalizing education and make standards stick

forgot never mind everything is a state by state issue and it is the citizen's fault for not voting correctly even though some are not allowed to vote and we have a militarized police to ensure citizens get put in their place and the minimum wage is $7.25 unless you win the geographic lottery and are born in a state with higher minimum wages

at least trump is not president so all is good

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They tried that with Core and No Child Left Behind. AFAIK though deeply unpopular (for political and non-political reasons) they did raise the bottom bar of education in all the states.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

they did raise the bottom bar of education in all the states.

Maybe for the lowest level of children. They screwed over the education system for many more in exchange

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[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They left out:

  • there was certainly WMD in Iraq. The UN just never looked in the right place.

  • over a million Afghanistan civilians deserved to die for the Trade Center attacks carried out by the son of a wealthy Saudi businessman

/s

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

apparently the constitution doesn't exist in this alternate universe. Which seems weird.

[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's because Republicans were against it after trump getting put off of ballots from the 14th amendment.

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