That's a lot of racists
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Even if you disregard the Hitler aspect of the quote (which is a big if), there's no way to view that with any magnanimity.
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," Trump said. “They're not sending you…They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."
Not just racists. Nazis.
Any number in this context is too high, but you're talking about a percentage of a percentage of a percentage... And all of that in Iowa where, like in all of America, empty land doesn't vote.
- people that are actually registered to vote in the sparsely populated state of Iowa > that declare for the gop officially > that weren't disqualified for insurrection felonies > that responded to this poll on landlines in the middle of the workday most likely > even then, less than half of those remaining people
"The poll, conducted between Dec. 2 and 7, features responses from 502 likely Republican Iowa caucusgoers and has a maximum margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points."
These "polls" are not representative of large sentiment nationally, but don't rely on that! Register to vote, get others to register and everybody vote please!
Only about 30% of Germans in the 1930s agreed with Naziism. Only about 30% of Italians agreed with Mussolini. That’s all it ever takes for fascism to win, because there’s also always about 30% who will passively let it happen because ‘you’re being alarmist’ and ‘it’s not that bad’ and ‘the economy is doing well’ and whatever other excuse.
That last 30% is why German civilians were made to walk through the liberated camps and witness the indescribable atrocities committed against their neighbours. They were just as culpable as those who actively participated, and that point needed to be driven home for all the world to see. eta: And many nations swiftly moved to show that lesson to children in classrooms for decades, to ensure it wouldn’t be forgotten.
If you’re seeing double-digits of fascists, you must at least double that number to approximate the real threat.
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42% of Iowa Republicans are Nazis. Good to know.
I hate ~~Illinois~~ Iowa Nazis.
~~Iowa~~
Republicans are nazis. Republicans are nazis who run on nazi platforms using nazi language.
There is no hiding behind policy for Republican voters in 2024. If you vote Republican you are knowingly and willingly voting nazi. If you vote Republican "against Biden," you are knowingly and willingly voting nazi. If you vote for their "fiscal policy," you're voting nazi.
This is for "likely Iowa caucusgoers". In other words, these are the most partisan Republican voters in Iowa.
In the not too distant past, something like this might have turned off moderates in the GOP. But now, it feels like there aren't any moderate Republicans anymore.
Republicans are either "Strong MAGA" or "Nervous MAGA". The party does not tolerate other perspectives.
That’s the fear that’s baked into fascism, and it’s why a large portion of fascists can’t admit they’re fascists. It makes them dangerous, too.
I'll thank Donald for one thing: uniting severe cases of mental illness that impacts perception of reality and morality leading to greed and bigotry under one banner.
Edit: My apologies for speaking for your own personal struggles of mental illness. Perhaps I'm better off just saying assholes. But then I'll get people saying, "I'm an asshole but not associated with them."
I have a mental illness, don’t lump me in with these jerkoffs
The severity of illness that comes to mind surpasses that which you possess to such an extent it impacts your perception of reality and morality, but my apologies for casting you a part of this group.
I love your wording
What does mental illness have to do with supporting donald trump? Very little if you ask me. The two things are not mutually exclusive, not even a little bit.
I think Lennybird may have worded that in an unfortunate way, but there is a point, the MAGAt crap is designed to exploit mental illness and nurodivergence. The thought process it takes to believe the junk that comes from them is truly magical, and that level of mental gymnastics requires an amount of breakdown of skill or deep religious belief, and while that is not All mental illness I can see where someone on the outside could look into that camp and see only mentally ill people and just put together a very very bad and frankly hurtful phrase.
It's worded worse than "in an unfortunate way". The phrase used was "all the mental illness". If Lennybird wants to be less prejudice, they can rephrase it themself.
I agree, but have hope that with the olive branch education can begin, at that may bring understanding.
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I'm pretty sure most people, as the user who responded to you could see, could understand the intent behind the words. Admittedly it was hyperbole and mental illness in itself shouldn't be mocked; however it's not necessarily a good sign that an ideology has a woeful concentration thereof. After all, it is an illness that can impact normalized behavior, which if that is the foundation that fuels a particular ideology.. We should be concerned.
Key to note I didn't say neurodivergent. And if you have a mental illness and aren't under the trump banner then that perhaps speaks more to the severity of those who are.
I'm happy you edited you comment. I think you can just leave mental illness out. Why bring it up without anyway to address it? When we talk about guns, mental health (with no policy action mentioned) gets brought up, and it's worthless. It's worse than worthless. It's a distraction.
I'm particularly glad you lost the phrase "all mental illness and bigots". It had a clear "homosexuals and pedophiles" ring to it when it falls on my ears. Thank you.
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The real tragedy is knowing some of the kindest and most educated people I've met are still willing to vote for this monster. I can't tell if they have some ulterior motives or they're just willing to play dumb over loving a dictator because they believe in some fantasy that Trump's not a bad person deep down.
Very true. We've all witnessed this. I've thought about this a good bit, especially coming from a former Republican household decades ago.
1/3 are people who who may be educated or hard workers but are duped easily by propaganda because they're short on free time or not educated specifically in how to critically-think and analyze sources. They get home from a hard day's work and flip on fox news because they were roped in by sports and now stay for the pretty news anchors or the angry men telling them their paychecks are being stolen etc etc. Some of these people may be reachable if you could sit down with them for hours and hours at a time and lay it all out.
1/3 are the greedy socio/psychopaths who are aware enough to know the game being played and move the pieces accordingly to grift the gullible. (Bannon comes to mind)
1/3 are the world-burner outcasts who don't care or are simply too stupid to understand the long-term consequences of their actions. (Typical 4channers or Trump rally groupies).
The documentary, The Brainwashing of my Dad delves into this: How can kind, smart people be duped into this?
1/3 are the world-burner outcasts who don't care or are simply too stupid to understand the longterm consequences of their actions.
This group concerns me. I saw them in 2016 saying that they were voting for Trump in the hopes that the chaos he brought would change the system. Maybe you could have been fooled once into thinking this, but one would think seeing the result would make people realize that Trump's chaos wouldn't bring positive change.
Unfortunately, I'm now seeing people saying they'll vote for Trump in 2024 in order to somehow change the Democratic party. A vote for Trump won't change the Democratic party to make them better, though.
If Trump gets elected, he'll target the heads of the Democratic party and imprison them. He might allow the Democrats to continue to exist as an "other" to blame all bad things on. (Why did the economy just crash? It's those Democrats again!) But Trump won't allow the Democratic party to be an actual threat to his power, though.
It will be like opposition parties in Russia. They exist, but if they gain any traction, their leaders are suddenly arrested or have "accidents."
Voting for Trump in 2024 won't mean you get better options from the Democrats in 2028. It would mean you don't get any options but Vote Trump Again or Prison.
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That’s far too broad of a brush to paint with. Don’t do that.
Also, that sword has two edges: the Nazis aren’t afraid of the rest of us anymore because they’ve realized there’s actually a decent number of latent Nazis around the country, and now they’re coordinating with each other, and that’s a problem.
The mistake is an understandable one, this man and his minions are greatly and rightfully hated. Many of us have grown up with mental illness as a boogieman myself included and still regularly hear it bandied around as an adjictive. You heard from many, correct as you saw fit and apologized. That took courage and wisdom. Thank you.
In other news: the Republican Party is full of Republicans.
Disgusting fucking losers in the GOP.
Sounds like our blood is already poisoned and we need some new blood.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Hey they call themselves 'patriots' too.... so technically...
It's a great hate-speech phrase to antagonize, and to call for something primal in people. Where did he lift it? Comparing your enemies to a disease is as old as public speeches. And is really a good showcase how the public there degraded, as they find it relateable. It's really something tribal.
Imagine me saying all trump voters are genetic failures or just untermesch. That they are a biological waste that needs to be dealt with. That they are traitors to their kind for the fact they still breath.
You'd hurry up to downvote and call me names, rightfully, because there's some set culture of not going that far into dark ages, to have a basic level of empathy. There are institutions, the people who'd show you that you can't call for erasing ginger women for they are totally witches. It calls for something animal, an existiential threat, a fight or flight response, and it's a very worrying thing.
It taps exactly in a place in your psyche, where you throw a spear at anything coming close. And it doesn't ends there. People nodding to that now would react more extreme in other more casual situations.
It's a pandemic of violence. This dehumanization doesn't end, it grows onto other groups one dislikes, and just one argument then can end in a gunfight. And it would take so much time to heal.
To add:
We in Russia suffer the same fait. Although my group of people mostly denounce that ridiculous war and cringe at those celebrating it, I notice, how casual hate and insecurity about your surroundings slip everywhere. Anecdotal case: I remember like 3 cases of bus drivers driving away from people running to them at the bus stop in years, and now I have at least one each month when this late person literally knocks at the door when it drives out, I had one today. One another school shooting case making news. One another case of someone pulling a gun onto random persons.
The societal psyche is deeply harmed by any public hate-speech. It affects everyone, and it affects me when I start to cross the road and a SUV running on red light nearly avoids me, once again, or that I'm more insecure of persons randomly asking me for a lighter, or middle-eastern men just walking around although I'm the one to get banned for despising racism locally. Even though I don't subscribe to it, I take the fruits of that. These deep fears that we should've learned to avoid, especially of all kinds of 'other ones', they thrive in that climate. Even if not by agitation itself, but by it's subproducts, like if you hear about a MAGA masshooter, you'd then be more likely to have a gun yourself, and to react agressively to a likely intruder. It escalates, it makes everyone hostile, and brings so much deaths one may want to vomit.
There should be measures in place to de-secalate it on the state level. I doubt my own state would want that, since it's a fuel for conscription and they don't care about what can happen after them ("let there be fire after we quit" is a national meme), but would yours do that? I still have a ghostly hope to immigrate, so I'm kinda involved in not exchanging one burning bag of shit for another. And having the most mil and gun-spending country being overtaken by ghouls like trump makes it unsafe everywhere. This opportunist can start a WW3 if it'd save him a comfy place im the office. With the great force, comes the dead uncle Ben, and it shouldn't be like that.
And what my ranting ass wanted to say: americans have a vision of themselves in regular mass shootings, have an example of russia as a promise, and have a tool to make it slightly better by putting the ballot in the box. Why won't they? You can see 'murican sense of self-respect on Reddit. Why won't they selfrespect themselves enough to eradicate hate speech in the prime time to be sure their kids won't be shot by a random broken kid. Having a post-perenatal abortion by the AR at eleven years feels more untimely than one done at the seventh week, that's what I say.
Imagine me saying all trump voters are genetic failures or just untermesch.
Let's be real though, if you've ever seen a rally up close that's an EASY sell.
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In other news, 58% of GOP caucusgoers are liars.
Fucking stop with the poll articles.
Stupid racist fucks.
42% of GOP voters, tbh I'm surprised it's not like 70% or something like that.
And yet, somehow this article does nothing to dispel my opinion that a lot of people like Trump because he says the fascist part out loud.
Well, yes, republicans are disgusting traitor filth.
Looks like a butthole in his neck...
This should not be a surprise:
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-01-31/dubuque-iowa-confronts-racism
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