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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (18 children)

If they invade, won't all the chip fabrication places just blow all their shit up and wipe systems? Pretty sure TSMC said that was the plan.

Doesn't seem like they'll be able to capture a whole lot aside from land and that will come at a pretty steep cost I'd imagine.

[–] Alivrah@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

I heard about that too. The technology produced there is too valuable to be left to invaders.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The chip thing is definitely an issue. However, even if they didn't get any chip tech or factories, they still get the island. Militarily speaking, the situation is similar to Cuba and US during the Cold War. Taking control of the island will grant them more military security. Additionally, it will grant them control over the shipping lanes in the surroundings waters, which are heavily used for international trade.

The US needs it for trade/their economy. China needs it to protect itself and gain more economic power. For these reasons, it makes sense for both China and the US to be heavily interested in controlling Taiwan. Personally, I really don't see a likely solution to avoiding military conflict unless the powers of the two sides figure out how to resolve their antagonism, which I think is unlikely without a change in Chinese leadership.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Militarily speaking, the situation is similar to Cuba and US during the Cold War. Taking control of the island will grant them more military security.

I don't really know if that makes a whole bunch of sense..... The only country with the capabilities of attacking China is the US. The only real provocation that may spark that military conflict is an attack on Taiwan or South Korea.

Taiwan isn't even that advantageous of a location for an invasion either way, the strait of Formosa would be a death trap for any amphibious landing. The most militarily important region for China is and always has been the Korean peninsula.

I think Chinas main motivation is that Taiwan disrupts their plans to completely control trade routes in the South China sea. Once the 9 dash line is under control and expanded to include the territorial waters of Taiwan, China will have a defacto monopoly on trade for most of eastern Asia.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

The land is most of what they want. Taiwan is militarily strategic land, it essentially blocks all access to the Pacific.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Even just destroying the competition makes their stuff much more valuable.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

TSMC just finished building a factory in the US mainland.

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[–] S3verin@slrpnk.net 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Reunify". Just like Putin tries to reunify Ukraine with Russland... Strange how one is called Invasion and the other Reunifying

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is xi calling it reunification. It's just your average land grab invasion based off "but 300 years ago we successfully conquered if and had it for almost a century so we have the right to conquer it again!"

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 18 points 10 months ago (47 children)

"Re-unify" is dipshit-speak for invade, pillage and crush.. for anyone wondering.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A. Xi said they would prefer to do it peacefully.

B. Autocratic regimes routinely define "peacefully" as a coup or overnight invasion.

C. Xi specifically set an atmosphere of strategic uncertainty by saying a time "hadn't been decided".

That tells me they've given up on winning elections in Taiwan. If they're scheduling it then it's not on Taiwan's election schedule. Ergo, definitely not peacefully in democratic terms.

Well it will be interesting at least.

[–] kingaloo@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I suspect this will happen during USAs election.... you know when the world stops existing for a few days.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well it will be interesting at least.

As in "May you live in interesting times?"

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Your prize options are nuclear incineration during Friday rush hour or cake.

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Take the hint Xi, she's just not into you.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

China is hostage state that nurtures Stockholm Syndrome in it's population (similar to DPRK and others). You can only "leave" if it's deemed useful and safe for China (i.e. you have Stockholm Syndrome strongly enough). And those that leave are still under control, i.e. their (edited) behavior can be coerced by using carrot and stick methods on their family and loved ones.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uhm, you can freely leave China? And unless you're a secret FBI agent, your family is probably safe.

I've heard those stories of "secret Chinese police in the Netherlands", but they are based on words of like one man without decent confirmation

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[–] itsnotits@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

in its* population

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Someone said after Russia's military was shown to be a farce, that if they were China they'd be shitting their pants and immediately launch an investigation into how good their military actually is.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

By having the CCP step down, right?

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

China gaining Taiwan would end global trade. That is the reason no one will let them forcibly take it.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I thought they were holding hands at first glance. 🥰

[–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago

It could happen. In China, among many other places, same-sex hand holding isn't uncommon among friends and doesn't indicate a romantic attachment. I dont imagine Biden and Xi have that kind of relationship, though.

[–] O_i@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I thought I read like 3 weeks ago they had no interest anytime soon

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