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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 162 points 11 months ago (30 children)

Employers controlling their workers “time off” is old fashioned dystopia.

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago (9 children)

My health is nearly none of my employer's business. I will not be telling them when or how I exercise.

This is a gross invasion of privacy.

There isn't much difference between a "bonus" and a penalty, given enough notice.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I kind of like the Japanese culture of the workplace being in charge of the health of their workers. This is why they all exercise for the first 30 min of their shift. If they are overweight, they find a solution.

Is it invasive? Kind of, yeah. Pretty much. Idk. Maybe the bonus shouldn't ride on the fitness, but I think the workplaces should be more involved in the health of their employees.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (19 children)

Unless the company is going to allow me to run in company time or pay me my base pay plus overtime on top of the bonus that's a hard fuck no from me.

Company wants my time, they better damn well pay for it.

ETA. Thinking about it more, nah this whole running for your bonus is bullshit and I wouldn't do it even if they paid me overtime since running/exercising unless your job is directly related to it, running has nothing to do with work performance which the bonus is based on.

[–] xarexyouxmadx@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But they are paying you for it. Not for your time specifically but for your distance. Idk if you read the article but highest tier is 130% of your base salary.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (18 children)

No they are not. A bonus is for your performance at work and when I run it's on my own damn time.

IDGAF how much of a bonus it is, 30% is all fine and dandy but again, if they aren't letting employees run on company time or paying employees for the time while they run during their off hours, then it's still a fuck no from me and it's complete bullshit to base a performance based bonus on you doing shit on your off time.

But hey, if you like having your company keeping tabs on how much you run vs how well you actually do at work for your bonus, I guess good for you, just not my cup of tea.

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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 52 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Other than the disability, privacy and disability concerns already raised- Running is SO boring. What if you prefer other cardio activity or a mix of strength training and cardio? Why does it have to be running?

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I also can’t see how this doesn’t open them up to lawsuits for any injuries incurred from a sprained ankle to a blown out knee or a heart attack. I’m a manager in a large company, and I got a bit nervous at some of the offsite activities, and those were mild things like dunk tanks. Plus I bet the entertainment company or venue carries that insurance. This is literally making the run part of the job, and it’s a relatively dangerous activity.

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[–] thatsTheCatch@lemmy.nz 37 points 11 months ago

The amount of bonus a worker gets is based on the number of miles they complete each month.

I understand what they're trying to do, but this is just not equitable. You'd have to figure out how to handle this for people who cannot run (such as wheelchair users). This greatly favours those with more free time and less obligations (such as people with no kids). It favours those already in shape and those who have fewer health issues.

This will favour those who already have it better off, which is the opposite of equity.

Good idea in theory, but I don't like the model where it's applied based on output.

[–] USAONE@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (25 children)

So disabled employees get no bonuses?

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[–] Squeak@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Run 2 miles/day to receive a bonus of 130% my salary? That seems insanely good value and this is coming from someone who has run about a total of 2 miles since I left school.

Get the train to work and park just over a mile away, run to catch the train and go to work. After work run back to your car. Instant 130% salary increase

[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Unless you're disabled, elderly or otherwise unable to do this... Not to mention how is this tracked? I don't want MY employer knowing what I do or where I go in my free time.

[–] Squeak@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, of course there needs to be exceptions for those less able.

It’s tracked by a fitness app according to the article. Just turn off permissions once you’ve finished your run.

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[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

chairman of a company that makes paper

Michael Scott energy

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Michael Scott's Dunder Mifflin Scranton Meredith Palmer Memorial Celebrity Rabies Awareness Pro-Am Fun Run Race For the Cure.

That episode even had Kevin insisting he doesn't want to run and Michael threatening to fire him.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

100km/mo = 3.33km/day or A little over 2 miles a day.

Which sounds do-able if you're fit and healthy. But what if you're disabled or partially disabled?

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Reality is you dont want to run every day. You can. But you should not for the sake of your joints.

Realistically this should be 6-8kms, 3-4 times a week.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You don't even need to be disabled to be unable to run or do heavy exercises. There are several conditions that can make running painful or impossible, like arthritis, athrosis, hernias, respiratory problems, etc.

Tying the bonuses to how fit you are is straight up evil. I highly doubt the boss will pay for medical expenses of people that push themselves too far to get the most money, who, ironically, might effectively end up losing that extra money.

Workers record their exercises and distances using fitness apps.

Clearly nobody will find a way to cheat that, no siree!

[–] Maslo@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

This area has been pretty well explored by Pokemon Go players already. On Android there's an app called defit that has multiple options for adding fake exercise data to your Google fit account which is where Pokemon Go, and typically these insurance apps, pull their info from.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Some guy pushes himself too much, dies from a heart attack and they cancel the initiative

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At one previous company where I worked I started a karate dojo, and I gave voluntarily classes. About 40% of the company regularly trained with me and we all got ripped, it was awesome

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

That's a great way to do it, not tie work bonuses to it.

[–] SharkyPants@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One of my previous jobs did something similar to this only without reward and public shaming as the punishment. We were all cube workers forced to do army standard tests and training after work.

[–] Jeom@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

that is genuine hell, my god

[–] Art3sian@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

ITT: I’m fat. I don’t wanna.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Also itt: when the employer says "run" you ask how much, you peasant, you should never question decisions of your master

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