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Other right-wing accounts variously reacted by describing the move as Orwellian, lamenting the death of free speech and even contemplating leaving Canada for good.

Oh no. Not that. Please no.

<Tee hee!>

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 108 points 10 months ago (8 children)

even contemplating leaving Canada for good.

Hello, yes, LGBT person stuck in Texas here. Can I have their house please? I don't really like the cold, but if it means I don't have to feel scared about coming out of the closet then I could deal with it.

[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

My comrad in crisis, no one in Canada can afford houses anymore. High chance they are just impoverished renters.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago (11 children)

2/3 of Canadians own their own homes.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, that actually tracks with what I see in real life, but it's pretty impressive. I guess that's also why we have massive household debt.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We have massive household debt because we are livestock farmed for wealth by the plutocrats. They get us in debt early and keep us in debt our whole lives to that they can extract the maximum amount of interest from us until we die and our estates can be picked over for anything that's left to pay our final debts.

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[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Other right-wing accounts variously reacted by describing the move as Orwellian, lamenting the death of free speech and even contemplating leaving Canada for good. Some rejected the authority of the court altogether while others questioned if the judge herself had "something to hide."

Funny how they think free speech is dead. I'm sure the there's a pretty decent overlap between these idiots and the people standing in front of Town Halls and region headquarters whining about vaccines, kickdowns, and Trudeau with 0 repercussions.

These dumb fucks need to stop crying about "free speech" and start crying about what it is they really want - the ability to be degenerates and knuckle draggers without any repercussions.

I openly invite all these morons to leave Canada for good. We don't want them. Nobody wants them. Go! Move to Antarctica where maybe the penguins will put up with your dipshittery. Maybe we can set up a GoFundMe to help them afford the travel cost out of here.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 62 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When the right wing says, "free speech" they actually mean, "hate speech without repercussions". Free speech is a right wing dog whistle.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 36 points 10 months ago

Yeah, these are the same people that want to ban books and have tight control over which true things are taught in schools.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 16 points 10 months ago

The poor penguins.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 months ago

Penguins and seals down there aren't gonna put up with their shit either.

[–] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This is Canada, they have different laws around protected free speech. People don't realize that the US is basically the only country that has these super broad free speech laws written into the constition.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is illegal in the US too (defamation per se). The main difference is that the US requires a higher standard for public figures (proving actual malice i.e. that they lied knowingly and maliciously).

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 19 points 10 months ago

The Constitution does not apply between interactions between private citizens. The Constitution only applies between the State and the Public.

[–] IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

The US Constitution does NOT have super broad free speech protections; a violent activist SCOTUS has simply granted overly broad protections to fascists and their radio shows, also protected by a radicalized right wing FCC for almost half a century.

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[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Technically Canada (and most other Liberal democracies) have similar freedom of expression (which includes speech). Where the difference lies between Canada and the US is in the Canadian Charter of Rights' structure vs. the US Constitution's structure.

In the US, "Freedom of Speech" is the first amendment, and as such (as I understand it) stands largely on it's own as an enumerated right. Unless it intersects with another Constitutional provision, or with the interpretation of the text of the first amendment itself, it's otherwise unlimited.

In Canada, Freedom of Expression is provided for in Section 2 of the Charter, but Section 1 provides for the limitation of any of the following rights and freedoms:

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

I Am Not A Lawyer, but the legal framework for testing Section 1 laws is call the Oakes test, and the language in this article bears the hallmark of justifications of the application of Section 1:

In its decision, the court found Webster’s statements failed a basic “public interest” test since “perpetuating hurtful myths and stereotypes about vulnerable members in our society” does not represent speech anti-SLAPP rules are “intended to protect."

I would assume that since this was an attempt to dismiss a lawsuit using Ontario's anti-SLAPP law, that the motion to dismiss was overruled because the anti-SLAPP laws were in line with promoting a Free and Democratic society.

Also there is Section 33, the "notwithstanding clause", which allows for the temporary suspension on just about any of the rights by the legislature, but that's not relevant here, ans is fairly rarely used (except in Quebec).

[–] chaosppe@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Good. Every time they bs without evidence, it: Destroys the credibility of legitimate claims & can cause serious reputation and mental harm to the accused. Should be criminal

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're not "BSing;" they're "defaming" and "inciting violence against."

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 42 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

lamenting the death of free speech

Its amazing how ignorant they are to the fact it’s always* been like this

* since the Bill of Rights

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They used to have a much better grasp on this sort of thing. "Is so-and-so a groomer? I don't know, but people have been saying. I'm just asking questions..." and so forth. Couching your bs accusations in uncertain language to protect you from the libel lawsuit you clearly deserve. I guess it's good they seem to be forgetting about that tool more frequently.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

They're being groomed into a mob. It's mass psyops in preparation for next years election cycle. An agitated mob doesn't happen over night.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We've reached the tipping point. Fascism is on the rise globally and they have broken cover and are running to try to grab the prize. They need to be stopped.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

100% agreed.

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

They were just exercising their right to Manitoba.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They can freak out all they like. Often someone who is trans will be called a groomer for no reason.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

It's actually an antisemitic trope repurposed to attack the LGBT* community.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Is there anywhere in tge world that isnt infected by fascism?

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

They have certainly gotten themselves organized. Once they realized that our system only functions because of the good faith of the participants and that they could lie and cheat and steal with no consequences they quickly began to take over.

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[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 10 months ago

Like cancer cells in your blood stream, the internet has made fascist mindsets easily dumped in little corners throughout the world

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

They can go back to America where they'll be left destitute and homeless by their many fascist institutions (all of which they supported)

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