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Or they're worried he will accidentally dislodge the mask and interfere with the proper administration of nitrogen. There is no actual danger to breathing nitrogen - the air we breathe is mostly nitrogen - we just need oxygen mixed in. It's all a stage play for delaying his execution.
I'm not in favor of execution, but this is the most humane method we have available. So until we can stop executing people, it would be good not to fuck with doing it in this way.
The article says the concern is if the masks leaks or becomes dislodged, the area within 2 feet might have the oxygen replaced.
So they said once the gas is on, the priest has to be at least 3 feet away.
But apparently the priest wants to touch him during it?
Like. That wouldn't work with the electric chair either.
Edit:
And to clarify, the person being executed is the one suing because he wants the priest to touch him while he dies.
Put the preist in SCBA gear (thing firefighters). Might as well turn this primitive practice (capital executions and preists) and go full on distopian clown show.
No no, put him in one of those old timey diving suits with the air tube and stuff.
Just as the Lord intended!
Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne!
Well…we CAN stop. Before this one.
Theoretically? Sure. Actually though, there's no chance. Sadly.
No, they're worried about it being painless. Their god is a god of wrath.
No...
Because it's his priest objecting to it, after he signed the waiver saying he agreed to be 3 feet away once the gas was turned on.
It's an attempt to delay the execution
Did he sign the waiver? This says he was asked to sign it.
It's confusing because in interviews the priest is saying he was asked to sign it, but is leaving out that he already did.
But if you read the whole article, you'd have seen this bit buried below
The form, which Hood signed in order to attend Smith’s execution, gave an overview on the risk of nitrogen gas. It stated that in the “highly unlikely event that the hose supplying breathing gas to the mask were to detach, an area of free-flowing nitrogen gas could result, creating a small area of risk (approximately two feet) from the outflow.”
If he hasn't signed it, they could proceed without him.
So he signed it, and now the lawsuit is happening to stall the execution.
Seems to me the waiver is a completely separate issue anyway if the lawsuit is about whether he can properly do the ministry without touching the guy, not actually him accepting the risks of being around.
Honest question. How is anything more humane than a bullet to the brain stem?
Hell even something like the cattle bolt or if you wanna get real technical on a pain scale something that immediately destroys the entire brain?
Like personally just put my head in a machine that crushes my head so fast that I couldn't possibly perceive it.
Tbh I guess I just don't really comprehend what "humane" means. The way everyone talks about it makes it seem like it just means not leaving a mess.
There are a lot of things that can go wrong with a gun and a bullet. With a nitrogen mask, the worst is that it just won't work.
Just falling asleep, with no sensation of suffocating, no struggling, seems like the best option out of a lot of bad options.
Not killing people would be a better option, really.
Ideally, yes.
Do you just enjoy trying to derail conversations?
Yea
"What's the most humane way to crush these orphans?"
Wine press
Humane, in these types of circumstances, are not just for the victim, but for the witnesses and executioners as well.
The internet legend that created the suicide helmet is likely the way I’d want to go given the choice. But it would not be a pleasant thing to witness.
FTR: I’m fully against the death penalty. It is a barbaric practise. But I still feel that those who participate in this horrible exercise shouldn’t be traumatized either.
All the advances in execution methods haven't been made to make it more humane to the victim - they've been made so it seems more humane to everyone else.
AFAIK, statistics-wise, the execution method with the lowest quota of horrible mishaps is the guillotine. A sufficiently fast 4t weight to the head would probably be even quicker for the brain to go, although it'd also require more cleanup.
(Yes, even overdosing on narcotics has more mishaps - and there are little to no narcotics abailable for executions, because the producers don't want them to be used for that.)
All of the more reliable methods are... grisly, and civilisation doesn't want grisly. We want to press a button and the victim goes to sleep to never wake up, because that makes it easier on us.
I guess if we want to be respectful to religion, we should stone him and the preacher can get as close as he wants. I bet he wouldn't have a problem standing at a distance in that scenario.
I can't tell if this comment is anti religion or pro death penalty.
It's supposed to be anti both, but I worded it a little ambiguously!
Yea, definitely had me going "wait you still want him to be put to death?" until I got down the comment chain.
Tbf Lemmy has a disproportionate number of tankies, who I'd reason would actually hold an anti-religion/pro-capital-punishment stance.
Tbf Lemmy has a disproportionate number of tankies, who I'd reason would actually hold an anti-religion/pro-capital-punishment stance.
Yeah that's what I thought it was.
Only the gas? Not the killing? Funny….”religion”
And they praise Jesus when it's convenient but times like these they love to drive into Old Testament crap.
How this is compatible with the supposedly kind, tolerant and self sacrificing idea of Jesus?
Let he without sin push the murder gas button!
Nitrogen is certainly my plan when I’m old
Mine as well. I deal with big industrial stuff which involves nitrogen lines often. Making a leak at a site would be pretty easy. Looks like an accident and my family gets a few million.
Your family would rather have you.
Maybe so but I am not going to spend years rotting from bed sores while some underpaid staff punish me for complaining by leaving my diaper on.
My wife is a nurse and quit her old employer the night she had to give a statement to the police about how one of the aids beat a dementia patient out of revenge . Who was a different CNA one that quite literally walked over a patient who had fallen out of bed because "it is my lunch break".
Nope. Not doing it. I gave up almost everything for my family they don't have the right to demand that I cling to a life with zero quality.
My dad is dying of dementia right now, not saying you have to ride that out. I'm saying you owe yourself and your family the time between retirement and sharp decline.
Mine is heroin, it's easier to access.
You don’t want to do opiate overdose. I once found a dude overdosing. He was already at the agonal breathing stage. It sounded like a loud short snore about 1 every 2 min. I followed the sound to the bathroom. There was brown liquid leaking out from under the door. I tried to open the door but it wouldn’t budge. So I turned the knob and put my shoulder into the door forcing it open.
There on the floor was my best friend in the world since we were six years old. His pants were around his ankles and that brown liquid was the vomit he was choking on. Unknown to me he had been there a couple of hours.
I called 911 and they came and got him. He spent a week in the hospital, but when he came out he was different. For one thing he had lost his short term memory. He’d tell you something. Then 2 mins later tell you again like you never heard it before. But also something on a fundamental level was different.
A few years later 2 days after Christmas it was his mom’s birthday. She made him stay in the basement because she was afraid he’d embarrass her in front of her guests. After the party they went down to check on him and he was dead of an overdose.
TLDR: Don’t use heroin as an end of life plan. The margin of error is too large and if you fuck it up you’ll be tarded for the rest of your life.
I am against the death penalty, but the requirement to stay away from the mask sounds like a way to keep someone from messing with the mask and bungling the execution more than saying the method is dangerous for observers.
Nitrogen is probably the most humane option available.
Third parties fucking with the mask might also result in the inmate surviving the execution, but with serious brain damage due to oxygen starvation.
So use an old fashioned gas chamber instead of a mask? This never seemed to be an issue when inmates were executed that way…
Because the state had much more leeway to trample on people's rights at that time. My gut tells me you didn't read the article. I didn't either, but I just listened to a podcast about this case yesterday.
That's arguably the most humane way to do it though.
Granted, I think the death penalty is wrong in 99.9% of cases but if it needs to be done then it should be humane.
And for the 0.01% of cases I'm taking about, it should be reserved only for people who demonstrate that their continued existence would harm other people.
I lived in fear for 20 years that my grandpa would get out of prison and kill me and my family for putting him in there in the first place, and he absolutely would have too.
A death sentence would have saved my entire family decades of mental anguish.
Every 5 years we had to contest his parole hearing just to sit on edge for the next 5 years while we waited for the next one.
Guillotinés are effective