Oh sure, let's go to Reddit to talk about Lemmy
this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2023
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No. There was no defederation.
https://lemmy.world/instances is the public list of which foreign instances are federated with or blocked. LemmyWorld is federated with dbzer0 still.
Lemmy.world did ban multiple piracy-related communities from both local and foreign instances, and you can see that activity in LemmyWorld's public modlog here: https://lemmy.world/modlog . Filter by action = "removing communities" to quickly find the mod actions.
The amount of crying on here over every little thing is wild.
The best solution is to just create an account on the instance that hosts the community, MATIES! ARRRRR!
A piracy focused instance that is hosted in a country with minimal to no piracy laws sounds like the way to go.
I don't get why all of the 12 year olds on here are bitching that the admins don't want to deal with potentially getting the instance shut down and/or jail time. People don't understand that the real world has consequences.
Why unacceptable? As the runner of an instance I get to have control over my own little walled garden - it's literally the primary strength of federation. If anyone, at any time, is unhappy with the content moderation policies of the admins of their Mastodon/Calckey/Peertube/Lemmy/kbin instance then they are able to find a new home - or maybe start one of their own, like dbzer0 did.
Not sure I understand your point - yes the runner of the instance has the ability to do whatever they want, but that doesn't mean whatever they want to do is a good idea. If the decision is implemented my response would indeed be to move to a different less problematic instance, after complaining a bit to see if I could get the decision reversed rather than having to flee.
Some instances are democracies some are dictatorships, some have no rules.
Actually, that could be the reason why sometimes the user finds things unacceptable, because some instance owners treat their instance like their "own little walled garden." It's a real pain to shop for an instance when you don't want a walled garden but rather an open medium through which to access content you wish to see. I see some instance owner decisions as reasonable (like staying away from misinformation and fake news) and I see others as a little bit unreasonable. I try to stay out of walled gardens. I like to roam free and make decisions for myself because I'm a smart boy, I know what I want and how I want it.
No. As it says in the post you linked they just blocked the community.
It's not just the biggest Pirate Community btw, it was one of (if not the) biggest Community across all of Lemmy.
Who is going to pay for the legal fees if the admins get sued?
There were no legal issues or threats, it was just some troll with a brand new account from a different instance that tricked admins into blocking those communities. See the other post https://lemmy.world/post/3175920 (if it loads, lemmy.world having uptime issues as usual)
Most rational people choose to limit their exposure to liability before it happens rather than increase their exposure to liability and wait around to later have to defend themselves.
Are you suggesting the proper course is to maximize your exposure to liability and then be forced to defend yourself later?
Most rational people choose to limit their exposure to liability before it happens
I had a feeling someone was going to reply with the "let's ban things because they might be problematic in the future" reasoning. What's interesting with your line of thinking is that there are many more communities that Lemmy.world admins should also consider banning due to possibly being a legal issue later on. In fact Lemmy.world admins haven't even banned all piracy related/adjacent communities, they literally only considered the select few that were mentioned by the troll account.
I'd argue with this action Lemmy.world admins have actually put themselves in a more legally dubious position. They are now picking and choosing which sorts of liability to be exposed to. There is now historical precedence that the Lemmy.world admins specifically choose what to keep unblocked on their instance.
The people who have to fight the battles are the people who ultimately should have the responsibility and the privilege of picking those battles, no?
Everything you said may be true, but it's not you that would be responsible for fighting their battles is it?
They may be completely wrong...and they may be putting themselves in a more legally dubious position...but it is their battle to fight if it comes to that...so the ONLY people who should have a say in what battles they pick to fight are them, not you, not me.
But it isn't that it might be problematic in the future, it's very likely that it will. Look at what happened with RIAA and youtube-dl, reddit and film studios. The movie and music industries are very trigger happy when it comes to suing anyone even remotely related to piracy.
Also picking and choosing which sorts of liability you're exposed to is normal, it isn't an all or nothing situation.
No legal issues or threats yet. Nothing wrong with proactively protecting themselves from potential legal issues.
A fundamental weakness of Lemmy is that every instance has to mirror all the content itβs users have subscribed to. This means that each instance is hosting that content, and is legally liable for hosting it.
I can certainly understand why the admins would choose not to violate their countryβs laws.
I can even understand them choosing to do things based on their personal morality, ethics, and biases since users can always choose to use a different instance at any point in time.
Absolutely - this is the strength of federation, and why I think communities should be distributed across many instances, while users can gather at instances where the administrative policies are consistent with their values.
Eventually there will be a need to easily compare instances and their current defederation/blocking statuses so people can make informed choices.
They are already pretty clear in the rules that they wonβt allow illegal content.
I donβt know about blocking, but defederation is covered under β/instancesβ on Lemmy servers.
It really isn't that hard to just make another account on whatever instance hosts your favorite piracy community. I don't really see the problem here
I have like 8 accounts
A statement will follow from the admins. When exactly it will be, I honestly don't know.
This was this from their discord (?) in the meantime.
Yeah. I mean a statement on LW itself. That was yesterday indeed.
A statement denying this nasty rumor about their behavior I hope?
There has to be a better way to handle this. Instead of just showing nothing maybe a nsfw image or something with a link to the instance? I don't know... But just defederating can't be the solution. Totally kills the point of lemmy.
I actually stoped my donation and created an account on a different instance.
I'll pump money into severs hosting in non bullshit countries then. We need to be better protected otherwise this will never work.
They did not defederate, they just blocked the instance (so basically what you are suggesting)
they just blocked the instance
They did not block the instance. They blocked a community on the instance. Huge difference.
The rest of dbzer0 and all its other communities are still federated and visible from lemmy.world.
I meant community indeed, sorry
What's the distinction of it being blocked vs defederated? I just want to make sure I can see their posts and they can see mine.