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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 131 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 101 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Now this is the kind of critical thinking I strive for. Fuck both of them

[–] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Most sane discourse I've seen on the Internet so far.

[–] paradiso@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Both sides of this conflict suck ass. What an absolute shit show. I feel for all the innocents affected.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Yes. Both off them.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

That's kind of implied in the concept of hostages, yes.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It's only going to get worse.

In a few years you'll have an entire generation of adult Palestinians that have lived under blockade in an open-air Gaza prison. It's an apartheid and Israel is an apartheid state.

Treating people with that kind of barbarism creates a lot of anger and a lot of people are going to think they don't have anything to lose by fighting back.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Haven't they been living in an open air prison since about 1948? I'm pretty sure they're working on the 4th generation to grow up in those conditions.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Yes, but it's grown progressively much worse, particularly since they were blockaded 16 years ago.

I think the next Osama Bin Laden is currently hanging out somewhere in Palestine, and when they surface in the next decade or two, their manifesto will sound eerily similar to the one OBL wrote about the embargo the US placed on Iraq, which starved millions of people and led to the rise of Al Qaeda.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 3 points 11 months ago

I think Egypt and Israel blockaded the Gaza strip after Hamas won the election ~2006. I think the WB is not blockaded since they have the PA though.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Bin Laden was actually a rich Saudi guy that gave up his life of riches to help fight the Afghan Muslims against the Russians who wanted to colonize Afghanistan.

Then when they defeated the Russians he turned against America because they were colonizing Palestine

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tbh I doubt at this point we will have a next generation of gazans

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A lot of people thought the same thing about the Vietnamese. It's a lot harder these days to wipe out an entire population than it was in the 1800's, though not for lack of trying.

Historically nations that have wholly wiped out other nations of people have needed a pandemic that they're immune to in order to accomplish it.

[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] mlg@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Like how OP is trying to hype up IDF as if they didn't lose a slew of tanks to some Hamas fighters literally walking in with RPGs and probably being as old and as competently trained as high-schoolers.

Eisenhower and Ford are watching in embarrassment as they use a metric ton of the latest in advanced guided weaponry to deal with an insurgency that only has hostages because Mossad was sitting on its ass for a whole year.

Hamas will get crushed eventually, but I'm surprised they kept up this game for so long with only like 200 hostages. Lockheed's CEO would probably shake hands with their leader if he could for generating such a huge amount of arms sales.

[–] TserriednichThe4th@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Eisenhower and ford? Do you know the history of the korean and vietnam wars? Lol

The only reason hamas isnt ass blasted right now is because they hide among civilians.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The carriers, not the presidents.

[–] TserriednichThe4th@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Hamas is getting their ass kicked.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The outcome was known before the attack took place.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com -1 points 11 months ago

Perhaps, but what this tells you is that the IDF are close to the leaders.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah by martyring them. Shortsighted policy.

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[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's almost like a well armed modern military are fighting an insurgency.

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[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

Well I guess we'd better just give them everything they want

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is there a list of Hamas' demands published somewhere? Cause I don't see it in the article...

I'm genuinely curious as to whether it's an achievable list of demands vs ludicrous posturing that has no chance of ever being met.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well, in your boot licking eyes, it can only be the latter even if the only demand is "Everyone stops killing people."

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Yes, but Hamas did start the war so it’s not that simple

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[–] osarusan@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lol what the fuck is your problem?

I ask a question, making me a boot licker. So I guess people who never ask questions, like you, are what... ?

Fucking trolls is what.

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