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Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access after launch of service that brought iMessage to Android [UPDATED] (techcrunch.com)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world to c/android@lemmy.world

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UPDATE: Beeper, through their Twitter account, is saying that they're working on it and "hope to have good news to share soon":

Work continues to fix the issue causing the Beeper Mini outage. We know how hard this has been for those who loved using Beeper Mini, and we're extremely sorry for the inconvenience. We are feeling good, though, and hope to have good news to share soon.

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[–] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apple flexing their anti-competitive muscles again.

From locking down the OS to proprietary charging and a staunch opposition to right to repair, their track record has been nothing but anti-consumer for the last decade and a half.

And the worst part is that they've gotten away with it for so long and so often that they managed to inspire Android device manufacturers (ahem...Samsung) to follow in their footsteps. Someone really ought to step in and break up the company, Microsoft anti-trust style.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apple flexing their anti-competitive muscles again.

The EU will protect us, right.... Right?

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 11 months ago

No, because iMessage isn't a gatekeeper in the EU. It's comparable to Signal in size, depending on the country.

Hopefully with Apple adopting RCS they fix the spec to include e2e encryption. At the moment only Google's proprietary client does RCS with their own encryption.

[–] TheRealTurducken@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago (3 children)

iMessage is one of the largest enablers of ostracization and teen bullying. It's a stupid cult - people see green text in their chats and they freak out. Apple knows this extremely well, and profits from it. Apple couldn't give two shits about the degraded security either. They know this pressures their users to be locked in to their platform, and pressures people outside to buy into it or suffer being on the outside of their cult. This quick move to cut off Beeper makes Apple's disregard for teens, security, and their own users painfully obvious. So long as they can coerce people into buying into their locked and incompatible system, Apple will continue to fuck everyone.

[–] mob@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

iMessage is one of the largest enablers of ostracization and teen bullying

This feels like a strange trivialization of teenage bullying thought up by someone who hasn't been a teenager in a long timr.

[+] thrawn@lemmy.world -24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

On the other hand, if this is true, kudos to society for clamping down on teen bullying. There wasn’t much (if any) bullying in my high school, but not long ago bullying and ostracizing was more… physically painful.

Like yeah it sucks that there’s still any, but this green text nonsense is a hell of a lot better than having one’s head flushed inside a toilet and the like. Good to see society making forward progress.

[–] Sirence@feddit.de 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The green text is not the bullying, the green text is one of the new reasons the kids are getting their heads flushed in the toilet. The bullying has stayed the same, there are just new additional reasons to get bullied.

[–] thrawn@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh. That’s disappointing, I guess there was some degree of wishful thinking in hoping bullying was actually easing up. My schools had next to no bullying + years of anti-hazing campaigns and I’d never actually heard of anyone dealing with the classic bullying stereotypes, so I thought we really were making progress.

I wonder if part of it was the setup of the schools, where we had only a few minutes between classes to transfer rooms. Not much time to flush heads in that span? But I also thought it was a common setup still used today so no idea.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's probably a combination if reasons why it seems like there's less bullying.

Bullying is less physical now with online bullying existing. Also, it's difficult for outsiders to understand if someone is bullied if they don't bring it up.

E.g. some girl in my class was bullied in 8th grade, but it wasn't obvious to me as I wasn't close to them. For an outsider not paying particular attention making fun of someone a few times might just be friendly banter.

[...] transfer rooms. Not much time to flush heads in that span?

At least in my school there were 20min breaks after 90min of classes, so more than enough time to give someone a shower if they wanted. Edit: Altough I want to believe they had to be more careful so they chose less obvious forms of bullying.

[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

A) Apple stop being scummy

B) USA gets a grip on this bubble colour nonsense and stops using iMessage

Which comes first?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not about the bubble color, it's about not being able to use modern messaging features cross-platform.

[–] paintbucketholder@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The two things go hand in hand, though.

Degraded messaging gets branded with green bubbles. Green bubbles - i.e. non-Apple phones - get associated with degraded messaging. Non-Apple phones get pidgeon-holed as crappy phones for messaging. People get bullied into buying iPhones.

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

it gets even better because the android to android messaging is better than the IMessage stuff, but apple purposefully degrades the performance of cross-platform messaging

[–] doctorzeromd@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When iPhones get RCS won't this stop being an issue?

[–] paintbucketholder@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Not all iMessage features can be mapped to RCS, so unless Apple brings iMessage to other platforms, non-Apple phones will always be associated with an inferior messaging experience.

[–] wccrawford@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I think you're being optimistic in thinking that either of those is going to happen.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Lol classic Apple.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Yeah I'm not buying apple for myself that's for sure

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So is it working again, or no? It seems to be on again, off again, on again at the end of the article. I think I'll just wait until they either figure it out for good, or get permanently banned. I can't have text messages going to a black hole right now.

[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

according to https://nitter.net/onbeeper/status/1733385534545052129 it's only Beeper Cloud they're talking about in the update, they're saying "work continues on Beeper Mini" meaning it's likely not operational yet and users in that thread seem to confirm it

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Thank you. It's a bad-ass concept, and I hope they get it worked out.

[–] CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

No one who used I message after this could reach me it was so weird

[–] Mananers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It wouldn't surprise me if you're experiencing that old bug that happened when iOS users went to android. Their phone number would be in apples system as an iMessage number, and wouldn't recognize that it wasn't. So people would message you, and the message would get lost in the aether.

I don't understand what beeper is doing (cause I'm dumb and too lazy to look it up) but your number might be stuck. Your friends might need to manually turn off iMessage for you (it used to be long pressing the send button in the message till it turns green)

I reallt hope apple actually adopts RCS next year. The standard is so much better than iMessage.

[–] KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

You just need to deregister.

https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/

[–] keyez@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

My friends said they had a button pop up to instead send as SMS yesterday. Beeper sent notifications the service was down and shortly after my number was deregistered with imessage without me having to do anything.

[–] CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

This was exactly it I had to not only deregister from Apple's services but my friends also had to turn off iMessage send me a message and then they can turn it back on and nothing would be broken. Must be some kind of caching we've decided just to switch to Discord much safer that way

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

It's not a bug.

[–] KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You need to de-register your number.

[–] paintbucketholder@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Beeper already deregistered the numbers, but it takes 24 to 36 hours for Apple servers to forget the deregistered numbers.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Capitalism at its finest.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

12ft.io/https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/08/apple-cuts-off-beeper-minis-access-after-launch-of-service-that-brought-imessage-to-android/?guccounter=1