this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2023
141 points (98.6% liked)

THE POLICE PROBLEM

2551 readers
582 users here now

    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

♦ ♦ ♦

Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

♦ ♦ ♦

RULES

Real-life decorum is expected. Please don't say things only a child or a jackass would say in person.

If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.

Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.

Please don't dox or post calls for harassment, vigilantism, tar & feather attacks, etc.

Please also abide by the instance rules.

It you've been banned but don't know why, check the moderator's log. If you feel you didn't deserve it, hey, I'm new at this and maybe you're right. Send a cordial PM, for a second chance.

♦ ♦ ♦

ALLIES

!abolition@slrpnk.net

!acab@lemmygrad.ml

r/ACAB

r/BadCopNoDonut/

Randy Balko

The Civil Rights Lawyer

The Honest Courtesan

Identity Project

MirandaWarning.org

♦ ♦ ♦

INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

♦ ♦ ♦

ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 8 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] thal3s@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Further complicating the situation: The body camera footage released by HPD contains three gaps totaling about 11 minutes. HPD officials have refused to comment on the reasons for the omission, only pointing to agency policy that says “core footage” must be publicly released within 30 days of police opening fire on a civilian.

Wow, the fucking nerve to shoot an innocent person and not release the footage.

[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eradicate Law Enforcement Officers.

Replace with Public Safety Affiliates.

[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i mean.. yeah what's the point of officers being around when we have the 2nd Amendment

i'm being half facetious.

Cops killed my unarmed cousin swimming away in a pond by shooting him in the back. ACAB.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why isn’t there a separate unit that specializes in wellness checks? One that includes social workers and EMTs?

Because the ~~mob~~ police wouldn't get as much taxpayer money

[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then we'd have to pay them more!

Those damn EMTs livin the good life on... ~35k/year -_-

[–] andromedathecat@artemis.camp 1 points 1 year ago

My city actually does have a separate unit, but like they’re still armed police, and they’re still a part of the police department. They also have like zero access to any extra resources. It’s honestly sad. They hosted a training session for my department (library) once and it was not apparent how they differed from the police in any way other than extra training. I’m sure if I called them on a patron they’d be so chill that I got a special unit to come out. /s