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[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 137 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Also lemmy.world is not the most stable instance and experiences a lot of downtime. My user experience got a lot better after I moved out of lemmy.world.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It experiences a lot of downtime because the alt right kids who got defederated keep using 4chans ddos tool to bring it down...

It's not going down from normal user load.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If only people knew how hard the staff was working to improve things and keep it up.

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[–] gk99@beehaw.org 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've explicitly been using my beehaw.org account pretty much exclusively because of the constant DDOS attacks on lemmy.world.

Kinda funny how their plan to seemingly kill Lemmy is just helping it stay decentralized by pushing people to other instances.

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[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 114 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the "face" of Lemmy it's probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.

Plus it keeps the "uninitiated normies" out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

FWIW this is one of the most frequent communities I see while browsing. I don't mind it but it's definitely a bad look if they want lemmy.world to appeal to the everyman.

I've noticed a lot more "normie" content in the past few weeks so it definitely seems like the site is attracting more than just techy people now.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Piracy not appealing to the everyman? With the relentless rise in the cost of living and with streaming services increasing costs and cracking down on password sharing, I don't see many people turning up their nose at piracy these days.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hot take: .world and others banning/blocking /c/ is better for the fediverse and for piracy. It means less eyes on piracy discussions and incentivizes users to spread out to other instances instead of just all using .world.

[–] Skoobie@lemmy.film 16 points 1 year ago

Fantastic take. Imagine a conglomerate of smaller instances that largely make no waves and allow 70% of the community to just see what they want. Dare to dream.

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[–] vidumec@lemm.ee 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

i feel like blocking of instances leads to worse echo chambers than subreddits themselves. We gonna have bubbles of federation networks that don't federate with each other. E.g. lefties, righties, "dark web" illegal shit, kinky shit, and instances that federate with all of them will be blocked by other instances because "use my blacklist or get defederated". This is gonna lead to hell for users having to create fifty accounts for each bubble. Aint nobody got time for that.

i wish it remained a user's option to block/unblock content they don't/do want to see. Each instance could provide their "recommended" default list of enabled instances, and user can go and enable others, like how NSFW toggle works. Maybe group instances into categories with tags or something, like "porn", "memes", "tankies", "nazis", "warez", etc

[–] XEAL@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We're gonna need a Lemmy client that can log into multiple accounts at the same time and display a combined feed of allof those accounts...

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Liftoff has been doing that for A while

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[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The big issue with that. Is where the host instance is located.

If Lennyworld is located somewhere piracy will get them shut down. Federatng a pirate instance is a bad idea.

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[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can't subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.

Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that's the whole idea of federation.

De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.

Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That's why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.

Lemmy's strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.

De-federation is bad.

[–] jellyka@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I agree with you, I'd really love the possibility of block whole instances, just for me. I don't want my instance from defederating from much, but I'd like for example to block all the porn without having to find myself some christian lemmy instance to move to lol

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[–] lukini@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago

Nah I gotta disagree on this one. I specifically joined this instance as a welcoming space. I'm glad we're defederated from the tankie and far right instances. I want none of that here. You can feel differently for the "main" instances or whatever you want to call them, but for me, defederation is amazing.

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[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

Lemmy.world is turning vanilla. They closed the shrooms community too!

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[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I think lemmy.world is about to be rudely made aware of how many pirates were on their site.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Might help lighten their load.

[–] Roundcat@kbin.cafe 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If there is one thing a pirate is good at, it's lightening other's loads!

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[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago

They're not making any money from this anyway

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[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Where is the piracy? (Asking for a friend.)

[–] matey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] papajohn@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My friend wants to know too. He has his pirates license.

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[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 36 points 1 year ago

Welcome fellow pirate!

[–] c1177johuk@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Lemmy.world blocked the dbzer0 instance? I guess it's time to switch then...

[–] agoseris@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They didn't block the whole instance, just the specific piracy community.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Anyone know of a good/current breakdown of the available instances? I landed on LW during the reddit exodus, and so far I've been happy here - haven't felt the itch to relapse back to reddit or the need to find a new home on the fed... even this piracy thing isn't a deal breaker for me personally since I don't really engage in that content anyway - but on principle I dislike that it's been blocked.

Despite all that, I wouldn't mind poking my head around just to see what's up, and maybe find my nice little niche, but I don't know the best way to actually go about navigating the fed.

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[–] olizet@lemmy.works 28 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I have created my own instance. With blackjack! And hookers, err, NSFW.

I found a cheap VPS and the easy_deploy script from git, that's how it started. And for 10 €/month I'll keep it going with a user count of 1.

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[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uh…well I know what I’m about to do then. If I wanted some cunt to have unrestricted control over the content I see I would have stayed with Reddit and that pigboy spez.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only thing that makes data useful to humanity is the fact that it can be copied - not copying data is unethical.

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[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Any Lemmy instance list which shows communities that have been defed by each instances? Should help new users make better choices.

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.

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[–] diffusive@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago
[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Ia there a list somewhere of insurances that do NOT blck piracy?

Also just a quick yes or no question: does lemmy.ml block piracy?

[–] spagnod@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess the only instance guaranteed to not block piracy is the one at which the community itself is hosted

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[–] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

We just doubled our numbers somehow! Look at all these new users joining the fediverse 😅

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know that is what broke the camels back for me, not that I personally partake in piracy but, it concerns me because if that is being done, what else could be being done. I understand the legal ramifications of the storage of it but, idk it just put a bad taste in my mouth, it was the first instance of censorship that didn't make full sense and was made due to a random account that was downvoted to oblivion, was super concerning. I still have an account on it but, it made me aware I needed more variety

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