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AI singer-songwriter 'Anna Indiana' debuted her first single 'Betrayed by this Town' on X, formerly Twitter—and listeners were not too impressed.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How to make line assembled pop music even more sterile and devoid of soul. Now at one thousandth the cost! But wait, how are CEOs going to molest child artists when they aren't real?!

[–] olutukko@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

They just molest regular childer I reckon

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

That's pretty amazing.

The song sucks, but here was the cutting edge of AI music just seven years ago.

That it's gone from some nightmarish fever dream mashup to wannabe pop influencer levels of quality in less than a decade is pretty crazy, and as long as there isn't a plateau in the next seven years we'll probably be in a world where AI generated musical artists have a popular enough following that they will have successful holographic concert performances by 2030.

I over and over see people making the mistake of evaluating the future of AI based on the present state while ignoring the rate of change between the past and present.

Yeah, most of your experiences of AI in various use cases is mediocre right now. But what we have today in most areas of AI was literally thought to be impossible or very far out just a number of years ago. The fact you have any direct experiences of AI in the early 2020s is fucking insane and beyond anyone's expectations a decade earlier. And the rate of continued improvement is staggering. Probably the fastest moving field I've ever witnessed.

[–] Bighappee@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Call me crazy but I absolutely preferred the fever dream mashup that you posted.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Well, the Beatles and Beach boys are better than emo YouTube influencers as a genre.

But the quality of the production of the fever dream is dramatically worse.

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[–] TheOneWithTheHair@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The fact that AI can produce this is impressive as to where we have come with AI. But can this actually threaten human artists?

In the United States, a federal judge ruled in 2023 that AI artwork cannot meet federal copyright standards because “Copyright law is ‘limited to the original intellectual conceptions of the author’.” With no author, there is no copyright.

~~https://www.makeuseof.com/copyright-rules-ai-art/~~ See u/Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 's article below.

"The answer will depend on the circumstances, particularly how the AI tool operates and how it was used to create the final work," the office said.

Under current US law, that song is probably now in the public domain. If the law changes, that could mean that in the future, music charts potentially could be filled with AI songs. As it stands, this is most-likely a public domain music machine cranking out music that anyone can use royalty-free. It depends on the interpretation of the courts.

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You should cite this article instead. It's more up-to-date.

[–] TheOneWithTheHair@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Fair enough,

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[–] PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Looking at the hateful comments gives me shivers when thinking how humans will proceed with machines on an emotional level.

If we ever reach sentinent AI, it will go towards I-Robot plot. Ill bet.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

I don't hate the technology, I hate the corporate fascists using it to further erode human culture and turn the planet into generic brand toothpaste.

[–] aksdb@feddit.de 14 points 9 months ago

Or Battlestar Galactica. Create a new species, make them humanoid, make them sentient, and then treat them like shit. Great.

[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

iRobot and WALL-E soon to be facts

[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

iRobot [...] soon to be facts

Beware the sinister Roomba, what are they doing with all the dirt they steal from our floors?

[–] twei@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago

I'm sorry, Dave

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[–] Jamie@jamie.moe 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have a feeling they knew how this would be received considering it seems like they're rage-baiting and acting pretentious to try and get attention.

[–] Jamie@jamie.moe 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I accidentally submitted early, but also, I wrote out the lyrics. It's the most bland version of those breakup-depression kind of songs imaginable. I guess people voted it as "feel-good" out of irony.

Sitting at my favorite cafe

Sipping my tea it's saturday

Thinking about all he's done, to everyone

This town is full of broken dreams

Shattered hopes, and silent screams

Somebody please help me

Betrayed by this town

Let's tear it all down

We're all just destined to fall

I've lost it all

Betrayed by this town

Let's tear it all down

We're all just destined to fall

We've lost it all

Alone in the streets, alone in my thoughts

Thinking of all our favorite spots

I thought someday things might turn around

But I was lost and never found

Betrayed by this town

Let's tear it all down

We're all just destined to fall

I've lost it all

Betrayed by this town

Let's tear it all down

We're all just destined to fall

We've lost it all

Faces painted with smiles

Lies are told

A facade of unity

A vitality sold

So I sit here in silence

Just wondering how

To rewrite the tales

This town won't allow

Betrayed by this town

Let's tear it all down

We're all just destined to fall

I've lost it all

Betrayed by this town

Let's tear it all down

We're all just destined to fall

We've lost it all

I've lost it all

We've lost it all

[–] SteveKLord@slrpnk.net 12 points 9 months ago

“Betrayed by this town / Let’s burn it all down “ might be the most relevant chorus of today’s music. It’ll be stuck in my head all night and would fit right in at most protests

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not as though the article is any better - bots just wrapping up a comment thread from twitter, cramming it with ads, and presenting it as an article.

Late stage capitalist media is a dumpster fire.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That picture is weird, there's some AI nonsense going on with the microphone shock mount, and her jaw doesn't line up with the rest of her face. Plus the usual uncanny valley weirdness of an AI generated image.

Not even going to bother with the song.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But it's so bad you have to

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not worth giving any attention to so it doesn't spread any further.

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[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Not so much an expert rather than just parroting what I saw, but according to a cursory search, and a Twitter community note I saw from a friend, the voice used by this project is Synthesizer V, which is actually a perfectly legitimate piece of software for using digital voices in music production. If you've heard of Vocaloid, or know about Hatsune Miku, SynthV is basically a competitor in that space.

Going back to the community note, the voice used is actually called Natalie, and apparently the TOS of SynthV does not allow use of its voices using a name that's different to what was given. So they essentially can't present the Natalie voice as Anna, which they are.

EDIT: I want to clarify that these voice synthesisers like SynthV and Vocaloid are usually based on the recording of someone who has consented to the use of their voice in that regard and has been paid for it. It's not like the current AI voice cloning trend going on.

Tweet + Community Note


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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is the worst AI will ever be, again.

Right now, at the end of 2023, you are seeing barely a year of public interest and widespread development, after maybe a decade of slowly grinding academic experimentation. And already it's enough to build some Vocaloid knockoff from scratch. You can tell it's fake, as surely as a seven-fingered hand on some anime girl staring dead into the camera. But if you think all AI drawings still look like that... you should go check.

This isn't a threat to artists, though. It's a threat to the industry. Real human beings who want to make art will have more and better tools than ever before. Audiences that want an endless spigot of AI content... won't need recording studios. You can already run this stuff on your computer. Some networks are getting better by getting bigger, which demands a really fancy computer. Other networks are getting better by getting smaller. Smaller networks train faster, even if they're deeper, more abstract, and less predictable. They run faster, too, and on lesser hardware.

Hold onto your butts, folks. It's gonna get weird.

Also, far from the most pressing issue here, but: just say Twitter. You don't have to respect the stupid rebrand. You know it's stupid because everyone keeps clarifying what they mean.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Still wishing everybody would just start calling it Xitter.

[–] donslaught@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pronounced "shitter", I assume

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[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Elon has no problem with people deadnaming trans people on his website so why should we avoid deadnaming his website.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The actions of bigots are not a good "golden rule" situation. You are called what you want to be called.

But a business is not a person. Fuck what they want. Businesses are called whatever people recognize.

Same shit goes for Blackwater and Facebook. Reputation is a necessary part of commerce and politics, and escaping it through shell games is idiotic bullshit we should never respect.

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[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think in the context of K-Pop it makes total sense, the music and everything around is anyway just done after a formula which has proven to work very well to sell. While right now you need to put children and teenagers through years of rigorous training and expose them to immense stress and pressure so most of them break, with AI you can easily replicate the same formula and refine much quicker without throwing so many young people into the meat grinder of the music industry.

More money and control for the companies less people killing themselves.

The ones who really burn for the music will make music despite AI music being available. And they also will find an audience, even though it might be smaller.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What I worry about this is mainstream becoming "accustomed" to assemblyline content by AI. What if eventually people start actually consider the conformity to be good thing and originality deviant? Of course there will always be people who dont care what other think but vast majority of people seems to at least on some level be very conscious about it.

Imagine being the weird one just because you don't like ai generated crap

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 6 points 9 months ago

Have you seen the movie WALL-E? The people on the space-ship they're consuming engaging content all day long, nobody is creating anything anymore, so all this must been created by the AI. I'm just trying to say that it's not a novel idea. Writers and artists have been imagining this future for ourselves for a long time.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

When you think about it, that's pretty much the history of boy bands, going all the way back to the Monkees. The faces were carefully chosen for demographic reasons, the songs were written by the labels and targeted for specific demographics, the faces' histories were largely constructed fictions (and published through "unauthorized" fan magazines and books that were ghostwritten by the labels and laundered through other publishing companies). The only real difference is that now software is being used for it rather than marketing teams.

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[–] TheActualDevil@sffa.community 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

While right now you need to put children and teenagers through years of rigorous training and expose them to immense stress and pressure so most of them break

Uh... I don't think that's a necessary part of the process to making k-pop, or any kind of music. Industry people may think it's critical to making themselves shit-loads of money, but it's not important for the creation music or even selling the music.

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[–] Stephen304@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago

Watching the video and the head movement all I see is the Balenciaga ai meme

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

YouTube link for those that want to see it for themselves. ~~https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3T175LTQFnw~~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l71Hh1gPkE

To me the biggest problem with it is that it doesn't understand the relationship between the meanings of the words and the melody of the song. It kinda makes it sound like a bad parody song. I think if you looked at just the lyrics or just the melody they would be quite convincing on their own.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's... not that bad. There's pop out there on the radio that's worse.

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[–] auf@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

Here's the link to the tweet

https://nitter.net/AnnaIndianaAI/status/1728089499429642432#m

Yeah the music is trash but so are the songs these days. The AI perfectly learned the pleasures of conformity and the importance of trends.

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 9 months ago

“It’s pretty scary, but it’s scary in the sense of how stupid music already is anyway, so it’s not that frightening. Like, ‘This thing can make a pop song!’ Have you heard a pop song? Great. Let it go. Unleash the beast, you know – holy shit would that ever open up the niche market for actual musicianship.”

~ deadmau5 during an interview with MusicTech.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

I think it sounds the same as other shitty music I hear all the time.

I fully expect AI music to be part of the musical scene going forward.

Does it feel dystopian? Yeah, it's not a fun future. But this is here to stay.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

. I think it sounds the same as other shitty music I hear all the time.

That's because it's literally a machine made to copy exactly that.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

All I hear is profit for the record labels.

But yeah, AI will be able to evolve too. We will have some good AI music soon also.

In a decade, high budget movies will have some AI actors in them and people won't notice. :)

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[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Here I am just wondering how much automation went into tuning/tweaking the voice. I've made some stuff in Synthesizer V Studio and that's a big chunk of the work. Being able to load something into an AI and have it give a pass would be awesome.

[–] dohju@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Just looking at the picture this already seems like amateur work.

As for the music being ... Yes it's pretty flat and unexciting. Realistically lots of today's music is already a remix of a remix and honestly... quite generic. Bands have been cast for looks for a long time, autotune has been here for ages, and with a better effort in the voice department I don't see AI artists being far off. I don't think they will ever completely replace artists here, especially since live events really are a thing of their own but.. eh

[–] anothermember@beehaw.org 9 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I don't understand why people are so cynical about this, it seems like a harmless demonstration of the current state of the technology.

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[–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Waiting for the AI composer site where I can prompt it for music based on a story I provide.

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 months ago

Hmm. Human Music. I like it.

[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We already have Taylor Swift, though?

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Sounds like a broken autotune.

[–] hyperactive@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think everyone's being a bit unfair. I'm not saying it's remotely good but this is like the Clippy tool of of AI singing/songwriting. That, and everything is predictable...but imagine where this'll be in 10yrs!

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