It does not help that many new vehicles are built like shit and have complexity for the sake of complexity. Electronic door latches, pop-out door handles, having everything controlled via a clunky, outdated, atrocious GUI, etc etc. These problems are not unique to EV's but a lot of EV's are going to have them just because they are brand new vehicles.
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The pop-put door handles thing gets me. Like why do I need to push one end of the handle in, then pull it the rest of the way out on the opposite end? It's so backwards and convoluted.
Just give me a damn handle I pull out to open the damn door. Why is it so hard?
Flush door handles improve aerodynamics by reducing drag.
That's true, but also dumb at the same time.
The benefit of reduced drag applies regardless of mode of propulsion.
So really, it's complexity for complexity sake.
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Yeah. I like a nice big touchscreen for infotainment and navigation, but everything else should still be knobs, buttons, and sliders on the dashboard.
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As a Subaru driver, nice.
I’m a happy Toyota owner as well.
Same. Owned a Volkswagen previously and seeing the ratings difference makes me glad I changed. I was also affected by the diesel emissions scandal at VW. So, that was fun.
My mom had an Audi Q5 (basically a dolled up Volkswagen Toureg) that thing was such a POS. First there was a piston issue that required warranty replacement. Then it started burning oil, and I legit question if they even actually did the piston replacement. It burned a quart every week, but by then, the warranty had expired, so she had to deal with just adding a quart every week. Then it started misfiring, had to change like 5 things out before we got it to stop. She traded it in shortly after, and bought a Toyota instead. I'd been trying to talk her into Toyota when she bought the Audi, but she wanted the fancy German car. Ended up learning the hard way why those things suck. I feel for whoever ended up buying that POS used.
Same here.
Though I wish they were more focused on full EV, rather than the hybrid models (and not even PHEV)
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I am interested in the differentiation between Ford/Lincoln, GMC/Chevrolet/Cadillac/Buick, and Dodge/Ram/Chrysler, given that each of those groupings is the same manufacturer. And in GM's case especially they have multiple vehicles under all three marquees that are the same damn car underneath with different badges and trim colors.
Not surprised to see Chrysler at the bottom, though.
What a pile of crap the U.S. auto manufacturers are. They purposefully build cars that break to increase revenue.
It is wrong to see that as a "US car manufacturers" problem. That mistakenly implies that other corporations would not behave this way or that this is anomalous behavior. This is how monopolies behave and it is the end state of any insufficiently regulated market.
Probably down to factory quality control and parts sourcing. Sure most of the parts are coming out of China. But, companies can get better or worse quality parts for more or less money. And once those parts are put in a car, you can have differing levels (read: costs) of the work being double checked.
Clearly, all those brand new Mercedes-Benz drivers are regretting not opting for the used 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe they could have had. Live and learn…
I've been in a few newer A class vehicles. My god. It's like being the the back of a fiat panda ride quality wise. The amount of issues about the screens dying (Speedo, oil, everything and MOT failure) on 2 year old cars costing £700+ for whole unit replacements is insane.
Expect Hyundai/Kia trend downward for the coming years as the used market gets filled with Theta engines. Bummer since the Gamma was solid.
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I have a Mini EV... it's been awesome. The only downside is the range is only realistically around 100mi but it's good for most of the driving I do. Longer trips we take me wife's car.
On my phone screen, it looked like Lotus was at the top and that didn't seem right.
With the image compression in the thumbnail, it looked like Lada to me which had me doubly confused.
Glad to see Chrysler down at the bottom where they belong. My MIL's old 200 needed a new timing belt/chain at 60k miles before it was eventually totalled out by another Stellantis product (old man backing out of his driveway into traffic in a Jeep).
Honda would be higher if it weren't for the Ridgeline.
I ❤️🔥 my Element though.
I ❤️🔥 my Element though.
I'm hoping to EVify mine. Unless Honda makes an electric one, which case they'd have my money in an instant, I just want to keep this handy compact mofo going forever.
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Two of the larger EV companies are new and I think both have quality control issues. I suspect that is probably the bulk of the gap. Im willing to bet that Hyundai Ioniq 5 has far fewer reliability problems than a Rivian.
Also, every Chevy Bolt ever built had a recall a couple years ago. That dragged that car's reliability score through the mud and wouldn't surprise me if it had an impact here too.
Hyundai as a whole probably have less issues than most. That 7 year warranty is something they don't want to be back at the shop for.
The same Consumer Reports that got sued for overstating the rollover risk of a popular SUV?
I'll take their opinions on EV's with a grain of salt.
Gotta love how they don't state what the most reliable EV is, even in the Consumer Reports original article. I guess you have to pay for that info.
I think we all know what the most unreliable ones are, however
Ok even if the statistic isn't wildly misleading. It's not such a bad thing. How long have we been doing gas cars? How long have we been doing ev's? How does the scale of the two match up.
Tons of resources have gone into the reliability of gas cars. EV's do not have the same amount of time and resources pooled to it. It's not a fatal flaw of the concept.
The internal combustion engine has been innovated and improved over a 100+ years. We've had plenty of time to experiment with changes and make it incredibly efficient while also addressing reliability issues caused by the engine itself. Not to mention, reliability issues are the sort of thing you find over long term use of a product, and we're only just getting to the point where EVs have been around for long enough.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
CR is known for buying cars for its own test fleet, but for its annual auto reliability survey, the organization cast a wider net.
Hybrids have 19 potential trouble areas—all the above minus the charging problem—and EVs have just 12, since they go without things like internal combustion engines, fueling systems, or transmissions.
And as our data has consistently shown, reliability-minded consumers would be best served by forgoing brand new vehicles in their first model year," said Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at CR.
Tesla, despite a legion of horror stories, finds itself very middle of the pack in terms of overall reliability, and in general it builds dependable EV powertrains—less so bodywork, paint/trim, and climate systems.
In general, the Asian OEMs dominate the upper end of the reliability chart, although Mini, Porsche, and BMW also made the top 10.
As noted, Tesla placed pretty solidly mid-pack, along with other domestic brands like Buick, Ram, Cadillac, Chevrolet, and Dodge.
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Not only EV's, hybrid cars too!
Well that makes sense since hybrid cards have all the guts of EVs AND gas cars. More things that can break.
EVs alone have far fewer parts than can break than gas cars, and there are no explosions taking place inside EVs, so you might think they’d be simpler and more reliable.
Just the idea to have to replace a 12k $$ battery pack sends shivers down my spine. I will have to pass on that for now. + the trend with these cars being spy computers on wheels doesn't make it a desirable vehicle for me.
Most major EVs these days have a battery management system built in to keep the battery at the temperature they like to be held at - the Nissan Leaf being the most notable exception, and yes that one does get pretty bad.
Keep in mind that these have a lot less moving parts. You don't have a belt system with an alternator, water pump, A/C compressor (that exists but just plugs into the battery), starter motor, etc. And ICE vehicles aren't immune to expensive repairs if the engine or transmission blows.
And at least a battery generally degrades over time rather than just going kaput all at once. If after 15 or so years my range degrades to the point where I get about half of what it was new (probably a huge exaggeration of degradation in a car with a battery management system) that's still 125 miles. Which you get every day by plugging the car in at home. My baby will be in high school by then, she can drive the Bolt.
The tracking shit fucking sucks (I found the way to turn it off) but it's not inherent to EVs at all.
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I wonder how much money it takes to rebuild a blown engine in a new BMW 3-Series nowadays?
Edit: so I went and had a brief look in Google. It looks like they run between $6000 and $12000 depending on how powerful the engine is. So for a base model it would indeed be somewhat cheaper.
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It's beautiful
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