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[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 131 points 11 months ago (7 children)

We can criticize Israel, while condemning Hamas terrorists

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 78 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And we can make aid to Israel contingent on future improvements on the treatment of Palestinians.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 11 months ago

(And prosecute the IDF and Israeli state in international Court for crimes against humanity)

[–] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

I like this, we should do this, for sure. Nobody can claim it's unfair.

[–] MuuuaadDib@lemm.ee 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At this point, I would argue that Israel has done more for Hamas PR and popularity than anything in the last 20 years.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 26 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I was pissed off at Israel when I learned that we can't have a single-payer Health Care Program because we are too busy funding the one Israel has. Learning how they treat Palestinians just puts a seal on the fuck Israel deal.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Israel is a little bigger in area and population than the SF Bay Area. We don't lack single payer health care because we are paying for Israel's. We don't have it because our government is in the pockets of those who benefit from us not having it.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Oh I understand that, but I do despise the hypocrisy that America Rejects single-payer healthcare claiming that they can't afford it, but they are willing to fund it for people who are not our people. Charity is one thing, but foreign aid should never come at the expense of One's Own people. While I understand the situation is bigger and more complicated than that, and that most foreign aid is just code for funding military operations and bases, it's still irks me that a single Cent is being given out in foreign aid when we have people who are starving and dying on the streets.

I would be all for America first if it actually meant anything outside of a racist dog whistle.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There is absolutely nothing the US does in regards to foreign policy that comes at the expense of accessible healthcare. The US already spends more per capita than any other country.

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[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 36 points 11 months ago (3 children)

We can also condem israel for creating this entire situation

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[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Do you think if Hamas dissappear tomorrow, those who throw garbage will stop?

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ted Kaczynski made a lot of really solid points, but bombing people, especially civilians, is wrong.

People still cheer for Luke Skywalker though.

Humans are more tribalistic than rational. They pick sides and justify later.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago (9 children)

The Death Star was a military installation that had already shown itself to be aggressive with death tolls in the literal billions. Not a fair comparison.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We can condemn violence, while recognizing that it didn't come about in a total vacuum as people play it up as to paint Palestinians as evil terrorists.

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[–] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Calling Israel's apartheid "modern" to me kind of implies that South Africa's apartheid, whose transitional period ended in 1994, was somehow "ancient" or "old-fashioned"... Yeah, you can rest assured that apartheid/segregation always has been far too modern.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I mean... It ended. Almost 30 years ago. So it's not happening in the modern day.

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[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Also South Africa still has massive problems between white and black people. I watched a documentary a few years ago where I black paralympian travelled round South Africa to see how things had changed and he was stunned that black people live in shanty towns outside major cities still, also the guy was shown a rich area with private security patrols and high walled residences and the security kept coming back to look at him, basically not trusting him there.

[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Intergenerational poverty can be extremely hard to break out from. It isn't helped by the fact that wealth in this planet is finite with most of it trickling upwards.

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[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago

Zionists: "they Made us do it!"

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 49 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Opposing Israel is not the action of a neo-nazi, it is the action of someone who is disgusted by Nazis.

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[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Garbage and rocks. Don't forget rocks

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

But I've been informed by a bunch of friendly folks from reddit that throwing rocks is a highly dangerous major criminal offense, trialed by the military, in Israel.

/s

[–] GutsBerserk@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Disgusting. Imagine you are walking around minding your business and a Zionist throws his trash on your head.

Israel treats Palestinians worse than animals.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I’m starting to think some of these Israelis aren’t the nicest people

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