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[–] ChefTyler1980@lemmy.world 157 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I can only speak for my friends who fit your criteria: they’re single issue voters (like many Americans) and they’re afraid the Dems are coming for their guns.

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 93 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The dilemma being that anyone who acts this way probably shouldn't own guns.

Placing gun ownership over all other personal freedoms is an unhealthy obsession.

People who think they need weapons in case are not so different than those who think the rapture will occur in their lifetime.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

single issue voters are fucking willfully braindead. Selfish short-sighted fuckers doing the opposite of their civic duty

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That and monetary issues. The "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" out there who want to keep R in power so when they finally get rich, they won't have to pay taxes.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

These are called dumb fucks in my book

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (9 children)

They are unfortunately correct. I can’t count how many failed attempts I’ve made to try to convince many of my liberal peers that trying to kill the 2nd Amendment or functionally prevent people from buying guns is doing more harm to our collective efforts than good by alienating independents who are otherwise liberal-leaning, but staunchly support 2A. Many liberals have terrible views about gun violence in general IMO, and a serious lack of comprehension of the problem. Conservatives aren’t much better, unfortunately, and they’re three times as stubborn, so here we are.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Many liberals have terrible views about gun violence in general IMO, and a serious lack of comprehension of the problem.

Could you elaborate that a bit?

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you go far enough left, you get your guns back.

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[–] NataliePortland@lemmy.ca 95 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Some users have come to this thread to answer this question honesty and openly. Without cussing or name calling or anything.

I think it’s shameful for people to be downvoting them. Downvote something for being off topic, or for being violent or hateful that’s fine. But for having an opinion that’s different from yours in a thread specifically asking for that?

There are always going to be people who you disagree with. On every topic.That kind of behavior will only push people away.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I agree.

I asked this question because I really want to try to understand people who are different than me and hold other opinions than me. Broaden my horizon. Maybe help people question their own reasonings.

So, I asked a question on a topic I don't understand. I hope people will answer honestly and that people who disagree will avoid persecuting that honesty.

We all need to find common ground somewhere.

[–] NataliePortland@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago

Good for you that's a great attitude to have. Having honest and open conversation in good faith is so valuable and healthy. Keep it up and don't let those types get you down.

I totally agree about the common ground. Understanding has to occur on both sides. You must be willing to listen before you expect anyone else to.

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[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Friendly reminder that the right wing party in my country is a bit far from being religious, mostly because more than 60% of the population (and honestly, more than 80% based on my speculation) is atheist. Anti-lgbtq being dominant here is definitely not because of religious reasons but the general conservative sentiments we had for so long. Abortion is frowned upon, but no one actually believes that it should be downright criminalized except for some religion nuts.

Protestantism is pretty much hated by general public since we had some issues with some religion nuts making people's life miserable.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Tranus@programming.dev 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I used to consider myself republican, and I think I'm still closer to republican than democrat. I prefer small government, which is at least sometimes a republican ideal. I am also against identity politics of any kind, so I am against affirmative action. I am in favor of gun rights, with regulations that allow for appropriate tracking of who has guns where, how they are stored, how they are transported etc. However, regulations that prevent particular people from owning guns or ban any particular weapons should be very conservative. Even felons should regain gun rights after an appropriate period of time. Only ridiculously dangerous weapons, like nukes, should be outright banned. Stuff like full auto weapons should be legal, but restricted to only be stored at a gun range or something. As far as LGBT goes, I don't think the government should have anything to do with them. Let them do what they want, let people react how they want (as long as it isn't violent of course, which is already illegal under other laws). I've never been really sure about abortion. My gut reaction is to just let people do what they want, but I struggle to logically justify it as anything but murder. Not to mention the impracticality of banning it.

I wouldn't really call myself a republican anymore though. This is largely because of the religious aspects. I don't know if republicans have actually become more authoritarian or if my perception has just changed, but either way they don't seem to prioritize the same things as me anymore. Things like right to repair, net neutrality, and E2EE are important to me, but they don't align with that at all. The party also keeps embracing identity politics, just with different identities than their opposition. Religion should be a non-factor from a governmental perspective. It doesn't need any special protections, just to be ignored.

If I had to call myself something, I guess I would be a 'libertarian socialist', however much of an oxymoron that seems to be. For instance, I like the idea of UBI, largely because it would allow almost all welfare/social programs to be eliminated (including social security). Doing so would reduce government control, because they no longer have an ability to tweak who gets what, since everyone gets the same amount.

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