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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 60 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Fuck yeah.

On a related note, do any other countries actively celebrate their historic genocides? My understanding is Canada and Australia try to pretend it didn't happen, and most of the others killed theirs indigenous people long before anyone cared

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We still have Australia day on invasion day, there's a decent push to change it, but the general concensus is problems of the past belong to people of the past and you can't rectify permanent history by creating new inequalities when there's a percentage of the entire population that still struggle with necessities.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As long as the government is doing something to help those who are still suffering the consequences of that pasttime, we're good, right?

Right?

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Their position is no different to any destitute citizen, raise them all together.

...or is that raze them all together...

I can't remember, is Authoritarianism heads? Or tails?

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

The US also has multiple holidays where we just changed the name and the focus, and quietly pretend the South doesn't still celebrate them

[–] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Canada has actually been doing quite a lot of awareness in the past few years. There was the truth and reconciliation commission and there's a nationally recognized day. Indigenous education has also been integrated into school curriculums in some provinces.

It's not a ton and can never make up for what happened, but it's far ahead of Australia who has done nothing from what I can tell.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm my childhood the entire family would meet at a designated house, with each person bringing their designated dish. My family is Catholic and very religious. Thanksgiving was about thanking God for what we had, and about over eating and drinking too much. Pilgrims, Native Americans, colonization, or genocide was never part of the conversation. Just God and being thankful for each other.

I think the history of Thanksgiving, like that of Halloween and to some extent Christmas, is lost on most everyone.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not defending the genocide of Native Americans. I'm just saying that many people are in ignorant bliss.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes. Christianity has a long history of repurposing festivals of other cultures into the core mythos.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

It's especially funny to me when some people start screaming to "put Christ back into Christmas" then proceeded with using nothing but pagan symbols. Then they sing about the twelve days of Christmas and only celebrate the first day.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All cultures do this, and I think this is part of that persons point.

In mainstream culture now, Christmas is not about Jesus, or the pagan solstice the Christians took it from.

Now it’s just about giving presents and being with family and other modern traditions driven mostly by commercialism.

Just like thanksgiving isn’t about pilgrims or native Americans, Halloween isn’t about all saint or all souls or whatever it was. Easter isn’t about Jesus rising (or whatever pagan holiday that was probably originally based on) it’s just about a bunny and colored eggs.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

And I am politely refraining from explaining why converting "we dicked over the indigenous people but tell ourselves they liked it" to "we are truly blessed by God" is somehow even worse.

Mostly because the subject of this protest does that for me

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Many people were not educated about the true history. So they weren’t celebrating “we dicked over the indigenous people” day.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago

Yes. Propaganda is strong and critical thinking is low. That changes nothing and is just a blatant attempt to absolve oneself of any guilt

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

As an American, yea we kinda don't know or care about the historical context anymore. We just get taught, and have reiterated, the whole "native Americans and colonists sat down together in peace to share a feast" aspect of it and forget the genocide and colonial violence that befell the Wampanoags.

I don't really celebrate it anymore because celebrating it kinda feels like celebrating the massacre and enslavement of natives by a colonial European power.

[–] nueonetwo@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

We've just started celebrating Truth and Reconciliation Day on Sept 30 in Canada but I don't think anyone but the First Nations and the try hard use the day for any kind of truth or reconciliation. I played video games all day myself. Not sure if the day itself had any historical significance, we still celebrate Thanksgiving in October.

[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"We have to remind ourselves how blessed we are to live in the greatest nation on the face of the earth," the president said.

So sick of that bullshit

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I used to think the same thing of my native Venezuela 😆😆😆

Then I traveled abroad.

[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least they're not shouting it from the rooftops all the time over there

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Oh they do!

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just want a sign that on one side says: "People that fire missles and kill civilians are responsible for their deaths, no mater the situation or the rational."

On the other side it would read: "If you think I am criticizing Israel instead of Hamas then you are admitting you can't tell the difference."

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"if killing thousands of civilians at a festival makes you a terrorist what does killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in schools and hospitals make you?"

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Tens of thousands* in the latter case. Let's not ignore the vast differences in scale and power.

Other than that, you're spot on.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

Makes you a freedom fighter. Fighting to provide freedom from the terrorists who use those people as human shields.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uh. Your 2nd sentence is sus. You're not criticizing Israel?

[–] Okigotitnow@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I think not. I think he's criticizing hamas.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bracing for the "I'm all for their right to protest as long as they don't disrupt anything" idiots..

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it doesn't disrupt anything, can it even really be considered a protest?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Nope, it can't. Good luck explaining that to the "I get that climate but inconveniencing commuters illegal" contingent, though..

[–] funkpandemic@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

"tHeY aReN't WiNnInG aNyOnE oVeR" lmao

[–] thesprongler@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Let this be the American version of the famous Tiananmen Square photo, complete with Grimace in shock in the background.

[–] Aarrodri@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I aint watching a 20 second add for a 27s video.. fuck off abc.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I didn't see it. Adblockers for the win! So happy they added those to Firefox on phones.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We've had uBlock for years on mobile Firefox? But it was an extension, does it now come stock?

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Firefox Mobile had a very select number of extensions until the latest version.

[–] Aarrodri@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I need to learn you ways, wise one. I shall investigate!

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Grimace is about to McFuckin lose it.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if Grimace has chosen his side in the conflict.

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I think we all know he has.

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh great. The rightoids are probably creaming themselves at the idea of a headline that says something like “Palestinian Supporters disrupt parade, sign says ‘Genocide Now’”

I Guarantee it.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My friend showed me a thumbnail that basically said "Genocide...Genocide" in front of a blow up minion. I don't know much about minions, but I feel like they might be the type.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

Of course Gru wouldn't let them do it, he acts tough but he has a soft heart.

But the minions themselves, absolutely. Those guys are little sociopaths