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I have a set of 3 Bra Premiere non-stick frying pans that I've used for a while. The coating on them says "Teflon Innovations without PFOA". Recently I've noticed that on the most used pan, the 26cm one, the Teflon coating has started to peel off.

I know that Teflon coatings can release harmful fumes and chemicals if overheated, but what about if the coating is physically peeling? Is it still safe to cook with them? Or should I stop using especially the 26cm one? I don't want to keep exposing my family to anything dangerous unknowingly. Any advice if these types of pans are still safe to cook with if the nonstick surface is peeling would be appreciated!

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you want to eat teflon? 'Cause that's how you end up eating teflon.

In theory, the teflon should continue to be inert as it passes through your digestive tract, but don't do that. It's time to throw out the pan.


Related advice: non-stick is overrated to begin with. Replace all your nonstick pans with tri-ply stainless clad aluminum, cast iron (enameled or not), carbon steel, etc..

If you insist on having a teflon pan, recognize it for the semi-disposable item it is: get the cheapest one you can find, use it only for things that really need it (e.g. eggs), and accept that you're going to be throwing it out and replacing it every couple of years.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

non-stick is overrated to begin with

I'd say it's correctly rated. It does the no-stick well while not being as durable. In my experience that's what people expect from it.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I've never known anyone in real life who owns Teflon cookware who thinks it's a concern in any way. If they saw any issue with their 15 year old teflon skillet, it's that it visually looks bad from all the scratches

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

That’s because most people didn’t realize they start shedding microplastics after the coating is damaged and you keep cooking with it until pretty recently.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago

The main issue from Teflon is the manufacture of Teflon

Making that stuff makes some gnarly byproducts

The Teflon it's is relatively safe as long as you keep it under like 220C, if it gets too hot it will start breaking down and releasing some gnarly gas

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I mean, I never cared to know more, when in 2001 someone told me that I'd be eating chemicals if I used metal utensils with non stick. I never needed or wanted proof that was bad. Other than having to explain this several times, it's never caused me any issue just to not do it. Using different cookware or a wooden spoon is quite a low effort fix.

I've found that time and again, when I explain this, people almost act like I'm stupid for caring to take this tiny precaution. I've always found it really weird to need hard evidence before taking easy precautions which cost little to nothing... Like people who smoked until it was proven to cause cancer. It was pretty fucking obvious to anyone couple years into adulthood and paying attention.. that shit was bad for you.

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[–] Alimentar@lemm.ee 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've looked into this when buying pans, I'd say it's still unsafe. Apparently in 2013 they changed their formulation so the chemicals aren't toxic and if ingested it's inert so it doesn't affect you at all.

With all that, I still don't trust non-stick and bought myself a stainless steel pan and I love it. It's easy to maintain and when cooking properly most things don't really stick either.

[–] falcunculus@jlai.lu 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Would you have resources or advice about cooking properly on a stainless steel pan ?

[–] Alimentar@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Preheat the empty pan. You'll know it's hot enough when you throw water droplets on and it beads and dances around. Depending on the pan and situation, they're pretty sensitive to heat so youd mainly cook on a low or medium.

Then use a good amount of oil and/or butter. I've even cooked eggs without much hassle.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Preheat and use a decent amount of oil

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 months ago

You often need less heat than you think. Use oil. Pretty much everything should cook better in a stainless with a little bit of learning curve, except eggs.* Yes, even fish. Keep steel wool and barkeeper's friend handy for scrubbing them back to a shiny polish.

*Cook eggs in a non stick that you use for basically nothing but eggs.

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[–] symbioticremnant@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

There is an episode of the Dave Chang show podcast that covers this. They have a professor on to cover the science of different pans. If I remember correctly, it should be safe as it will through your digestive system. The bigger issue is overheating Teflon. That being said, you still don't really want non food in your food, and that pan is likely pretty worthless from a non-stick perspective

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2gJsAHAFP1MNZX5hZ7lA61

[–] mirror_slap@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

No, it's toxic. Replace it with carbon steel, stainless steel, or cast iron.

[–] KingOfNexus@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My girlfriend is a materials scientist specialising in non-stick coatings.

The first time she came to my house, I had to throw away all teflon with even a scratch on it. She said once the surface is broken it will leach chemicals into your food.

She said they are perfectly safe whilst the coating is in tact and uses non-stick pans herself. Just replace them as soon as you notice the surface is broken.

[–] Doxin@yiffit.net 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just replace them as soon as you notice the surface is broken.

So like twice a month?

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Don't use metal on your pans maybe?

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I got tired of seeing my teflon-coated pans wear out like that or lose their non-stickiness, it bothered me to realize that the 'premium cookware' I was buying was temporary trash I'd need to replace every couple of years.

I retired my teflon cookware and now have just steel and cast iron (and ceramic-coated cast iron) and I don't miss teflon-coated cookware at all.

Sure, sometimes I end up with stuff stuck to my pans, but realistically that was true with my 'non-stick' pans as well. The nice thing about cast iron and steel is that with use, they seem to get better, whereas the teflon pans start out nice but deteriorate in the way they work. When I do end up with stuff stuck to the pan, I can scrub that clean in a few seconds with a steel scrubber or scraper, whereas stuck-on stuff with teflon (the stuff the dishwasher didn't get, anyhow), seemed to demand the extra-soft scrubber (and lots of time, because the soft scrubber doesn't work as well).

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Safe" is a relative term. Is it going to set your house on fire? No. Is it going to release harmful gasses while you cook and leech toxic metals into your food and slowly poison you? Yeah, probably. But, like, how old are you? Maybe you're like 98 years old and don't have that much longer to live anyway.

Fuck's smatterchew? Throw that shit out and get a new pan. Damn.

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[–] sploosh@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Did you know that if you use Teflon pans in a house with pet birds they might die from the fumes? Since we historically used canaries to detect dangerous gasses in coal mines, might we take that as an indication that Teflon pans should not be used at all?

The scratched ones are bad and should not be used. Going forward you should ditch all your nonstick pans and buy cast iron or stainless steel.

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. Don’t heat a non-stick on high, like ever. Medium is as high as they can take.

  2. Use silicon utensils.

We had issues until we stopped doing #1. The cheap non-stick Tfals we have now have lasted 10+ years. The old expensive ones didn’t make it past the first few.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

*silicone. You wouldn't want silicon utensils.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

lol. Fair correction.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My stainless steel cookware set has worked better and lasted longer than every non-stick pan I have ever owned.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Ugh... I've tried this route... I really have, but shit like eggs sticking like a mother fucker is just too annoying. Unless you drench the pan in oil.

I've switched to ceramic non-stick, I'm sure it's not perfect either but you gotta make compromises.

[–] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I've dedicated myself to figuring this out. It's not that you have to drench it in oil, but there needs to be enough to cover the pan.

The most important part though is that the pan is heated up enough when you crack eggs on it. And give the eggs a little bit of time to cook before flipping them.

It takes a lot of practice and you're going to be eating scrambled eggs instead of fried eggs for a while. But keep at it.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago

There is a Goldilocks temperature with stainless for cooking eggs. Too hot or too cold and it sticks. I had the ritual down before COVID, where I would turn the pan on and prep my coffee while it heated up to the perfect temp.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Eggs are indeed tricky on the stainless. I have found that ceramic or a well-seasoned cast iron pan is a lot better for eggs if you aren't good at hitting that exact temperature that they need to be at to cook and release on their own with just a minimal amount of oil/butter. My parents have a single teflon pan that is just for eggs, but they cook eggs so frequently that they need to replace it all the time because it starts to peel and flake in no time flat.

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[–] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I would rather deal with the (often exaggerated) care of a cast iron pan than deal with non-stick Teflon or similar. And have. But stainless steel is a comfortable favorite for common jobs like cooking soup or quickly frying an egg or two. Light, easy to clean, and practice usually means it won't stick if you know how to grease a pan and keep the temperature right.

[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Replace ‘em. Get either cast iron or stainless steel, once both are seasoned properly they are just as non-stick as teflon pans and much more durable. Lodge cast iron pans are like $20 and are super easy to take care of if you cook frequently.

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

I don’t think stainless steal seasons. Maybe you’re thinking of carbon steel?

Stainless is great to cook with but you have to wait for the pans to come to temp before adding food

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (10 children)

once you go cast iron you never go back

[–] TheNumberOfGeese@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
  • Cast iron = brilliant and last forever
  • Stainless steel = brilliant and last for ages
  • Carbon steel = brilliant and last for ages (but expensive)

Cooking on plastic doesn't feel right. Even if it's perfectly safe, I'm happy to stick with any of the above and not cause excess waste by having to throw out pans when they scratch.

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[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 11 points 10 months ago

why does it look like a very old whale who's battled hundreds of squids? Ever hear of wood or silicone utensils?

[–] 404@lemmy.zip 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. Chunks of teflon are getting in your food
  2. The aluminium underneath, which was protected by the teflon, is getting into your food (especially true with acidic foods, since they will react with aluminium and erode it).
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don’t know that the PTFE is going to be any worse than all the other micro plastic we’re eating*, but the aluminum definitely is a problem.

Id suggest replacing it (or using the others until you can replace it,)

Tomorrow might be a good time if you can afford it, with all the sales.

*ain’t life grand?

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[–] YottaDren@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

ATK just did a short video on this. It's probably not as detailed as you might want but here you go. I believe Teflon is used because it is so innocuous, but the chemicals used underneath to make it stick are very bad for you. https://youtu.be/2RJkIPT-jLs?si=w0X3lpQK9tnaMmbA

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago

Teflon is very bad for you don't do it.

[–] 0Xero0@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, it's not safe to keep using nonstick pans that are peeling, but people still use them anyway.

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[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea.

This says the PTFE passes through undigested but who knows:

https://essentialware.com/teflon-and-pfoa-all-your-questions-answered/

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Undigested doesn’t mean it doesn’t leach anything nasty or cause problems (particularly over long periods of time.)

Some almost certainly doesn’t fully pass.

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Depends, do you think eating lead is safe?

[–] jopepa@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Allclad has factory seconds sales like 4 times a year, I think there’s one going one right now. If you’re unfamiliar, they’re a premium brand for high end home stores so they’re bar for quality is very high, because of this they can’t sell any products that have minor cosmetic defects or even damaged packaging. So, these factory seconds are sold for a huge mark down. Larger sets can still go for a lot more than a disposable nonstick you’d find in a grocery store, but they’re worth it. Alternatively, you can find them on Craigslist or marketplace pretty regularly for a steal, too.

Stainless clad pans are a little different to work with compared to nonstick but preheat the pan, cook with oil, and you’ll prefer it by miles to nonstick.

Edit: sales still going on, here’s a link. Happy cooking.

homeandcooksales.com

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Even bran new nonstick pans are horrible ideas. Don't use them. Get cast iron.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Hell no. Lead and PFAS.

[–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

From what I understand, that is unsafe. Having said that i've been using one in a worse condition too. Best to limit the use of non stick pans anyways unless its for eggs or smth delicate pl us careful with the wash

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