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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 121 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

So the article explains that official tournaments use a unique words list that contains a lot of generous words like "zzz" and "aa". Mostly intended to allow high scoring words for people who studied their list.

The company that maintains the list has added a lot more of these "not a real word but it scores high so we added it" words.

For some highlight words from the article: MIREPOIXS, HORSEFEATHERSES, SUBSPECIESES, GRATINEEED

Players are complaining that high level tournaments are basically going to be competitions for who knows the most gibberish from the tournament word list and it is alienating the general population from joining tournaments and scrabble clubs.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Shouldn't the official word list just be the dictionary? Isn't that the point?

[–] loudambiance@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Which dictionary? Merriam Webster added almost 700 "words" this year, including shit like: TTYL, finsta, bussin, cromulent, doggo, simp, goated, and more. I feel like they are slowly becoming urbandictionary.com.

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, their job is to provide definitions for the words people use in language, not to gatekeep what words are "good enough" to be defined.

I hear each of the words you've listed all the time, they're part of our language whether we like it or not.

[–] loudambiance@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My point was more about which dictionary do you use and less about the exact words added. Webster added them, but Oxford and American Heritage didn't.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Use all of em and if it appears in any it's a word

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Now I want to play a game of scrabble where you play a complete nonsense word, and your points are the number of Google results for that word - lowest points wins. And maybe you have 5 letters instead of 7.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I would rather be able to spell out bussin' for points than zzzz, aaa, or Mieropoix. At least it is a word people actually use in conversation.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mirepoix is an ordinary word in cooking, but it’s an uncountable noun and they’re inventing a fake plural, like “featherses”.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Didnt it specifically say horsefeatherses in one of those comments? I start drawing the line there.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I have never heard or seen mieropoix before.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Cromulent is a perfectly cromulent word.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Modern dictionaries are descriptive not prescriptive. They don't tell you how things should be spelled, or what meaning they should have. Instead, they report how things are spelled and what people think they mean in the real world.

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[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 28 points 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure the tournaments are just memorising lists. A man won the French competition without being able to speak French... He just memorised the accepted words.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

Words in scrabble should be things that people actually use outside scrabble. It's fair if that makes some leeway for slang. It's also fair if it means that some really obscure words that nobody really uses get in. But, this seems over the line because they're taking words that nobody uses, and tacking on un-grammatical endings.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I’m amazed that they allow Zzz. It’s not really a word.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Is "bam" a word? It seems like a word, but it's an onomatopoeia, just like zzz. Neither are very accurate to the sounds they make, and neither are truly words... I'd let someone play bam without thinking about it, so I could be convinced to allow zzz

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Zzz has no vowels.

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[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

My horsie has featherses, silly hobbitses

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The 10x number of new words added compared to previous editions, and the nonsensical nature of so many of the new entries, says it has to be AI. There's no way some of those would make it past a human editor (except one lazily accepting everything the AI suggests as truth).

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 63 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I’m fine with adding slightly offensive words like ‘twat’ and ‘redneck’, but fake plurals like ‘feceses’ and ‘rouxes’ are absurd rules-lawyering.

[–] cbarrick@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They added "za" (slang for "pizza"), which is a strategy-breaking change.

It makes the letter "z" soooo much more powerful.

[–] klemptor@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait hang on I've been using "za" for ages, was this not legal until now?

[–] fruitSnackSupreme@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] agissilver@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Za, lasagna. Pizza, sa.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Spazzing for double points!

[–] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

Well this is just a bunch of HORSEFEATHERSES

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I vote games like scrabble don't use made up words just because they can give you big points. In that case why not just allow your players to place down all their letters in any random order and call it legal? It scores more points, so why not, Big Scrabble?

Also, I'm also personally against the use of made up slang words that started appearing around the 2010s and are now in common use, or at least were in common use.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think the point is rather that all words are made up. For the record you have my vote as well. I don't want nonsense words to be a part of the game, especially at tournament level.

[–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

But all words are made up words.

[–] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

If thou wishes for thine language to remain unchanged, perhaps ye wish to speak thusly?

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've considered when a word is no longer "made up".

There's always some enlightened centrist claptrap about "all words being made up", which I think even they know is pedantic and not really a solution.

Then you have the Websters who intentionally annoint words prematurely, I'm certain for marketings sake. Every year they get some free press about adding surprising words. I don't really know who buys dictionaries on a regular basis, but someone must, so they must want to appear modern and get some free advertising while they're at it. In Short, you have early adopters who want to appear hip, and that seems wrong, too.

Finally you have the hard-ass who doesn't want anything new added. In my experience these people just get off on gatekeeping and pearl clutching. They don't think that slang is worthy and they want to be part of the ingroup who decides which words are "real". In these peoples opinion, if they're being consistent, words like "legit" shouldn't be a word, it's just slang for legitimate. So that seems wrong.

I think the only answer is perhaps time. I feel like a word needs to live as long as the average person before becoming "official" (whatever that means). Like, who knows if in 79 years "bussin" will still be a usable word. But then again, useable by whom? If the issue with slang is that it's too new and therefor only understood by a narrow group of people, can't the same complaint can be applied to highbrow difficult words that are only understood by the overeducated? Or technical words in niche areas of understanding? Can you really say that more people can define metempsychosis, or kentledge, than can define edgelord, or doggo?

But even my time argument fails. Because what's the harm in adding words? We aren't bound by any space limitations or something. We don't run out of "word slots" and once they're all used we're stuck forever.

Long story short, I don't know what the answer is. But I do know that horsefeatherses isn't a word.

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

So the group re-added words such as SPAZ, GOY, REDNECK, GREYBEARD, and TWAT.

Great, he's back...

[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why would you ever remove twat? Twat is a great word, which I can only hear in Con O'Neill's voice from Our Flag Means Death.

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Allegedly, it offends people.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The only people it offends are twats

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 2 points 11 months ago

Well, there seems to be a lot of them...

[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

I think that's the point though?

[–] XbSuper@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Well, my opinion that scrabble is one of the worst games ever made is now solidified.

[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Scrabble is dumb because it's all about memorizing high scoring words from a list. As I recall, the guy who won the French Scrabble championships never even knew how to speak French.

[–] DeadlineX@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Some of these additions are just silliness. That said, I could barely make it through the article, as it kept just randomly starting a new sentence halfway through a thought.

It also referenced somebody, but then didn’t finish the sentence before moving on to talk about someone else. I have been annoyed by all the “this article was written by an ai” comments I’ve been seeing lately. Having read this article I see what people mean.

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago

I am stunned! Stunned, I say!

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