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Decades of U.S. war crimes led to what Israel is doing in Gaza (www.salon.com)
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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 76 points 10 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, and I hate to play Devil's advocate to this bullshit, but the US tried to share their "lessons learned" with Israel. The US repeatedly told Israel to not go full in like the US had done in Iraq and Afghanistan (read Felluja). After Fallujah, the US changed tactics and took a more "small strikeforce", infiltrate and assassinate approach. Israel basically told the US to shut the fuck up and just started blasting.

There's nobody better in the world to tell you how to avoid war crimes than someone with decades of experience in committing war crimes.

[–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The US repeatedly told Israel

While sending them 3 billion a year, if they wanted them to stop they would threaten to stop sending the money.

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

You're right. If the US stopped sending them money their military budget would only be 20 billion a year.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

So anyway, they started blasting...

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Tired of "every political problem is US fault," so I'm kicking the can.

Anything you want to blame on the US is Britain's fault.

They failed to suppress the colonial revolution, and odds are, also caused whatever problems the US gets told to go police as the UN lapdog.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Blame the Romans!

[–] getseclectic@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What have they ever done for us?

[–] Slagathor@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Roads.

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ... what have the Romans ever done for us?

[–] Slagathor@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Brought peace?

[–] Fungah@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I blame proto indo Europeans

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Fuckin Lucy

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It seems to me that this is the one political position the author has: "America bad." And everything follows from there. Russia invades Ukraine: Actually it's America's fault, because NATO expansion is violating non-existent treaties. Israel bombs Gaza and does the crimes against humanities: Actually it's America's fault, because Israel is just imitating America.

This seems like the usual "what aboutism" from Russian or Chinese propaganda.

What Israel did is really really bad, but America didn't force them to do it. And America's response of unconditional support is also bad, but they generally didn't want this conflict, because it's not useful to their agenda.

America does enough bad stuff, no need to invent more.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Tired of “every political problem is US fault,” so I’m kicking the can.

That's the impression the article title gives you - and it gave me, also - but when you read it I think you'll realise it's far more than mere hyperbole.

Edit: Also, all the great bits about Great Britain are not English. It's primarily the English (as well as a few Scottish aristocrats) who perpetrated all the colonial bullshit.

Bring back the Normans, I say. The only people who successfully conquered Britain in 1,000 years. Technically, the Channel Islands is the last Norman refuge. I'd quite happily have the Bailiwick of Guernsey rule over the UK - not Jersey though, they're a bunch of toffs and should stay on their own Island, where the rest of the Tories can be deported to.

But I genuinely think you should read the article, all the way, if you haven't yet.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 48 points 10 months ago

Decades of US unconditional support for Israeli war crimes.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Damn, I went into the article thinking it was biased and sensationalist, but it seems like the author was entirely on point.

[–] slampisko@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for making me read it. It's a great article.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

It reads like a rant. Like the left version of OAN.

[–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

🎯

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Oof. There's so much conflation and handwaving here it really reads like propaganda that requires buy in on an concept first.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure. Its the US's fault. Now stop.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's worth giving the article a read. It compares US attacks in Iraq with Israel in Gaza, and draws comparison with the "human shield" excuse that both have been using to dismiss civilian casualties. It also goes into the US' weak interpretation of the Geneva convention and how Israeli lawyers are basically saying "they got away with it, so should we!"

The article doesn't say it was the US' fault, it says that the US paved the way.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ok sure.

The US paved the way. Now stop.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

I mean I was hoping you'd take the time to read the article and broaden your understanding, because it's fairly apparent that you haven't yet.

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I don't know why you're getting flak for this. It doesn't matter "who started it". Everyone should just stop. Committing war crimes should be an easy thing to stop doing