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[–] sederx@programming.dev 120 points 10 months ago (7 children)

But new users don't even know what snaps are. They don't care. We care because we are crazy bastards

[–] fraydabson@sopuli.xyz 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The problem is they don’t care until it becomes an issue which by then becomes harder to fix. I also just really hate snap lol

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[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I think they would care if they knew the benefits of not having snaps.

There's little to no advantage in having them, so why have them?

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[–] Molten_Moron@lemmings.world 36 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I recently started using Mint after years on Debian.

I may be weird here, but it has quickly become my favorite distro.

It's snappy and super user-friendly, plus it's been de-Ubuntu-d. Out of the box Flatpak support is just nice to have, and Cinnamon is a sweet de.

[–] digger@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've done my fair share of distro hopping. Mint is the distribution that I have to do the least amount of configuring starting from a clean install.

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[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

I use Mint, and I found that it's the best distro for introducing my family to Linux. Those who tried it never asked for their Windows back.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Totally. Man I gotta try an updated mint and see if it will work for gaming. I miss the stability.

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[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Jokes aside, this kind of gatekeeping behavior is what gives Linux a bad name. Also, you don't have to be a beginner to love Linux Mint.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

There's actually linux mint debian edition rather than ubuntu edition

https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

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[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 24 points 10 months ago

I was running Linux Mint until the other day when I found out Linux Mint Debian Edition existed so I installed that. I'm a recent Linux convert and I can safely say that Lemmy might have partially been the reason. I've been loving it so far.

[–] dirtySourdough@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mint is great. I love it when shit just works.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Todd Howard Approved™️

[–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Quit Linux? More like quit [non-server revisions of] Ubuntu... Besides, I somehow have an impression that preinstalled crap is among the popular reasons to why ppl leave windows

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All the talk of Mint lately. Looks like my fifteen-year Ubuntu streak may be coming to an end. Will I, decidedly not a power-user just an Internet browser, occasional game player, Csound programmer, Libreoffice user notice a difference? Is Mint better at printing? That's the only real problem I've had with Ubuntu over the years.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

In my experience Linux is better at printing than windows. Especially debian based distros.

However you can just Google your printer and see if there are issues.

Edit: can't read. I don't know if there will be any change on printing since mint really just removes snap and Ubuntu stuff and adds flatpak and a few smaller details.

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It was weird. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS printed perfectly. First try, every time. Barring printer issues not related to the OS anyway. Then, 20.04 dropped, and I couldn't print anything. For two years, I had to move files to the Mac on the front desk to print at work because it refused to print anything. Same printer. I tried a few fixes people had posted, but none worked for me, and most fixes were for HP printers and mine is an Epson, which no one reported any problems with.

Now, with 22.04, I get intermittent printing. It works more often than not, but I'd estimate my print jobs get randomly canceled about 30% of the time. Which is annoying, but not deal-breaking since I usually just push it through again, and it works. To be fair, it might be because of wireless printing, but I doubt it since like I said, 18.04 worked flawlessly with the exact same setup. I might just try out Mint sometime and see if it makes a difference.

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[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Snaps:

On server = good

On PC = bad

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Hell no. I can't have my server updating itself without explicit approval, randomly breaking shit at any hour of the day.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Snap is basically Dockers right?

I hated it and it made me switch to debian, I don't see the point to install all dependencies for each apps, I guess they don't want to deal with package dependencies anymore, so let's install the same version of python 10 times

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Out of the mainstream distros what might end up getting bought by Google or even Microsoft, Ubuntu seems to me like the most likely candidate.

I mean, RedHat was once the even more likely candidate, but

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

You don't have to be a beginner to love Mint. I am very happy that they are putting more energy into the Debian edition. I've tried lots of other distros over the years, and I am just comfortable in Mint.

[–] Brekky@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (5 children)

What are snaps and telemetry?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Snaps are a package format that handle dependencies differently. People don't like them because of increased startup time.

Telemetry is when software sends analytics back to the parent company. Ubuntu does very basic telemetry, but people like to compare it to Windows

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[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Linux Mint has a Debian edition available, I'm curious about that one.

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago

Still using Mint, see no reason to change

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Best distro imo right now for desktop. Fedora a close second.

Others like Arch are great too but more for enthusiasts.

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[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Mint with Maté gets no love but it's so fucking great.

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[–] eddanja@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

LMDE and Flatpaks for daily apps.

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I like the idea of switching to Linux to break the strangle of windows on my hardware but I don't know if all my games on Steam, Wargamings launcher and Automatic1111 will work properly if I made that switch. I installed Mint for a friend because I'm semi-literate and feel like messing with that....cmd window "terminal" to do...literally anything installation wise would get irritating.

I want a Linux that is as easy to use out of the box as windows. Will Mint be that way or will I have to spend 5 hours figuring out special words for commands any time I want to install something?

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I've been using Linux Mint as a daily driver for ten years now.

I personally find Linux Mint to be easier to use than Windows out of the box. For example, you probably don't have to worry about drivers at all; AMD Radeon drivers for example are built right into the kernel, they "just work." In Windows, you have to go out to AMD's website, download and install them.

Linux has an app-store like system called a package manager. Most--including Linux Mint--have graphical ones that work just like the Play Store on Android does, except everything that's in there is free. On a Mint machine, you open the App Menu, go to Administration > Software Manager. To install Steam, you search for "steam" in the box in the top right, and you'll recognize the logo.

This same task can be done from the terminal. You can open the terminal and type sudo apt install steam

I will use both approaches depending on what I'm doing at the time. Like for example, it's faster to install multiple programs via the terminal. sudo apt install steam obs blender audacity gimp shotcut inkscape would install all those apps in one big thing, no need to sit there clicking through the app store.

Linux Mint won't require use of the terminal very often, it has GUI menus and utilities for most things you'll likely want to do. Sometimes, using the terminal is faster, easier, or more convenient, or just more fun. Yeah there's fun to be had in the terminal. Get on Youtube and look up what "cowsay" does.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I dont want to learn all these new sacred spells to bend the thinking stones to my will.

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[–] jimbo@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

You ain't never going to play all those Steam games anyway.

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[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Wait, people think anything besides an official Ubuntu flavor is leaving Linux?

[–] demystify@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can you opt out of snap on Ubuntu? I've heard some system and essential apps use it, so it might break stuff if you do

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[–] haych@lemmy.one 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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[–] Alborlin@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Serious question , my laptop is getting old. 7-8, years now I don't want to put money in tech for w new one. I want to use it with Linux , as I just use for very Norma stuff and Zero gaming. My use cases will be use of office, use if browsers, simple image editors, pdf reader and manipulation, copying images from to and from HDD , copying media to HDD etc. Connecting iPhone, android for file uploading download etc.

I don't want hassle of

  1. Find a reaposiroty, install an extra ackages except for softwares
  2. Give any command viq terminal. 3.find any dependency for ANYTHING
  3. Use it as regular person

What Linux will just work? I mean simple install and start using.

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Pop!_OS or Zorin features all of those criteria. Mint, a little less. I'd go with Zorin. Everything works out of the box.

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[–] krakenx@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago
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[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago

linux mint is based

[–] PopShark@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Does Mint support arm64 yet? I would be ecstatic for a mint VM in parallels on my MacBook but last time I tried I couldn’t I don’t think. Stock Ubuntu is just.. okay but I always loved the out of box experience and look and feel of mint it was my choice for dual booting years ago on old windows laptops

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