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Trump's Plans If He Returns To The White House Include Deportation Raids, Tariffs And Mass Firings (www.huffpost.com)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Quexotic@beehaw.org to c/politics@beehaw.org

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So it looks like Trump has read the fascist playbook or something. I'm not surprised. I am concerned.

Edit: After thinking about it, I guess I am surprised that he can read.

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[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And nearly half of the voters in the US think, “yeah that’s who I want leading my country.” This includes half of my extended family (the math at least checks out).

I will never understand the sheer lack of independent and critical thinking in the US. I get that the underfunded education system, the complete takeover of editorial news outlets which have never put forth actual news, and the inability for most people to shut up long enough to listen to reason, are just a very small number of examples of why America is in the state that it is; but at the end of the day, can’t people at least see evil when it’s speaking evil things to them? Is this what they truly want — a dictator who has used them, who doesn’t represent them at all, and who will do everything possible to rip apart the bonds of democracy?

Why are people so easily brainwashed?

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The most recent On The Media podcast has a section about this (Trump reporting and why people don't get it that he's stupid, crazy AND evil) that I feel like didn't go far enough. They have a guest talking who literally says "The journalists aren't doing their job, to inform the public." I wanted to respond "NO, they ARE doing their job. Their job isn't to inform the public, it's to make $$$ by creating content that maximizes consumer engagement, while pushing narratives that appeal to their CEOs and shareholders. They're doing EXACTLY their job. THAT'S the problem."

[–] rgb3x3@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what's the solution to this? Publicly funding journalism nearly no-strings attached so that they have guaranteed income and can better focus on actual news?

But then that creates a conflict in interest when the story involves the funder.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

But then that creates a conflict in interest when the story involves the funder.

It might create that potential, but if done properly, there can be independence.

In Canada, the CBC regularly reports on things that show the government of the day in a negative light.

Same with the BBC in the UK.

[–] Quexotic@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Research Hitler's rise to power and also the rise of fascism generally. Also look up "boiled frog"

Also maybe read this TL;DR: by GPT. I think the big thing is people feel powerless to stop him. Also nobody wants him to be a martyr. There are plenty others, some worse, that would take his place.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ask a 1930s German adult. Fear. Whether it be a crashing economy, immigration, whatever. If you can get the fear hooks in them, you can absolutely get people to vote against their interests.

[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

That seems so obvious, but as someone not inclined to succumb to fear, it’s never on my mind as a motivator.

Thank you for that insightful thought. I appreciate your mindfulness of that. I suppose it seems so easy for me to be able to look in from the outside and bang on the windows screaming at the top of my lungs about the danger of this narcissistic wannabe Hitler, but only to find out just how soundproof the house is on the inside in such a fog of fear and lies.

It’s a shame that millions of people are unable to divorce their fear from their cognition and ambition. I can only hope they wisen up at some point.

[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 23 points 1 year ago

It's scary how he isn't even subtle about it either. Even less subtle than his previous plans to overthrow the government (and I'm in Australia, and it wasn't even subtle with the limited US political media here)

[+] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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[–] curiosityLynx@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Even if you're pro-religion, voting blue is the better choice. Only blind mammonites and hate-filled egotists can justify voting republican.

Also, the way Trump's base is all whipped up, not voting at all is nearly equivalent to voting for him.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

decisions that probably make your life 2% worse

You know, unless you're someone in Gaza whose life Biden's military aid package to Israel will end, but hey, they're just brown people!

Voting blue instead of abstaining or voting 3rd party? Sure, but let's not downplay how bad the Blue Team is. By voting for them, we are being complicit in the crimes of the Democrats in order to stave off worse crimes, but are still complicit in the murder and genocide nonetheless.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you honestly think the Republicans wouldn't support Israel?

And a vote for 3rd parties is a vote for Republicans.

And Israel would be attacking Palestine even without US support, given Hamas is still going to be attacking them.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you honestly think the Republicans wouldn’t support Israel?

What in my comment gave you that impression? Do you think that just because both parties would do it absolves you from being complicit in it?

And a vote for 3rd parties is a vote for Republicans.

So is a vote for Democrats, since they're doing nothing to actually stop Republicans. The 2 party system is built so that control switches between the 2 parties. One party will never hold it indefinitely.

And Israel would be attacking Palestine even without US support

So your argument is that we may as well just go along with the genocide since it will happen with or without us?

This is peak Centrism. "I don't agree with the genocide, but I'll go along with it since I've got nothing better to do."

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not everyone agrees it's a genocide.

If Israel wanted they have the weapons and ability to raze Gaza to the ground and kill everyone in it in a matter of weeks. But they haven't done that.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"If you do the genocide slow, it's not really a genocide! Not everyone agrees that killing thousands of children of one particular ethnicity is a genocide, anyways. They should be thankful they're not all dead already, because if Israel wanted them to be, they could do it. Really, only killing this many makes Israel the good guys here!"

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you just want Israel to let Hamas attack and kill them then? Because Hamas attacks from populated areas, any counter attacks will result in civilian casualties.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Holy false dichotomies, Batman!

"In order to prevent the genocide, Israel must commit the genocide!" BIG BRAIN!

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a pretty piss poor attempt at a genocide by Israel. They have the armaments and ability to have wiped out everyone in Gaza by now. If they wanted thew Palestinians genocided, they could have done it already.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think you are confused about the definition of genocide.

It doesn't mean to exterminate all people in an area.

It means to kill large numbers of people based on their ethnicity or nationality, which Israel is doing. They not targeting Hamas, they're targeting Palestinians, and they're doing it in such a way to make Gaza uninhabitable. All the infra is being targeted. All the hospitals are being targeted. Over 40% of the housing units are destroyed already. It's a genocide.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Still a piss poor attempt.

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago

*concentration camps

[–] Maruki_Hurakami@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bill Burr in the background! Wonder when his wife flipped off Trump? I hope she doesn't apologize, I'll be disappointed.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did he talk about this on his podcast or something?

[–] Maruki_Hurakami@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not that I know of. There is a video where you can see Nia flipping off Trump. It was at the UFC event on Saturday.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there supposed to be an article attached to this? All I'm getting is an image. I mean, I know trump has been threatening a lot of stuff, but I was curious if there were any specific examples of what he was planning or if this was just a general statement.

[–] Quexotic@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us-election-2024-trump-second-term_n_65513c02e4b0c9f24660aa6e

Still learning how to Lemmy. Thought I could have an article link and an image at the same time.

[–] Designate6361@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So thats where Vivek got that idea from

[–] Quexotic@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

More words please. I'm interested.

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Still waiting for the adults to enter the room.

[–] Quexotic@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I feel ya. All this just lends to increased dispair. Kierkegaard would be disappointed.