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[–] RandomApple@lemm.ee 189 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Endgame was a 3 hour fan service and wasn't all that good and I'll die on that hill.

[–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 112 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No, you're right. Infinity war is the better movie but endgame was the better event. Endgame is almost a perfect fanservice movie and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Infinity war is not that good either. Everything is preventable but the heroes forgot how to heroe and make very bad decisions

[–] AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Infinity War was so dumb, I never even bothered to see Endgame. In that sense, it had the same effect on me as The Last Jedi, but at least MCU had an overarching story planned which is more than can be said for the Disney SW trilogy.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago

Infinity War has its faults. It's paced a little nonstop and the Wakanda bits are a bit weak. That being said, I saw it ten times in the cinema and it's the perfect movie for me. I swear -- the tail end of Thanos being on Titan to the end of the movie, you can feel how somber it was and I feel that's because of the connection to the characters. We can always say "oh they're coming back" but I like to watch the movie on its own and remember just how it felt watching the movie for the first time.

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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm still pissed that the McGuffin in that movie was basic-ass time travel, when they had the way cooler McGuffin of the Quantum Realm they could have explored.

To make matters even worse, it's seeming like the real reason they did the time travel BS was so they could start the multiverse BS, so they had a justification to continue pumping out garbage content.

[–] SquirtleHermit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Completely agree! Though time travel wasn't a MacGuffin, it was just a plot contrivance. A Macguffin is an interchangeable irrelavent object used to drive the motivation for the plot. The "tesseract" in Avengers, or the "Philosopher/Sorcerer's Stone" in Harry Potter for example.

Sorry to be pedantic, I fully agree with your actual point, and just thought you might want to know.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Agreed. My main takeaway from it was that my butt hurt after sitting in the theater for that long.

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

You’ll have my bow.

[–] words_number@programming.dev 158 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Ma...ma.... Marvel movies are mostly redundant bullshit without even a single relevant thought in them. Just like these mass-produced romcoms, same level. They will probably be the first movies written and produced by inferior AI soon and it won't even make a big difference.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The worst part of Marvel movies is how they expect you to remember everything from every other Marvel movie and TV show going back to Iron Man in 2008. I gave up after a while. I can't keep all of that in my memory and I should be able to skip the ones that are less interesting to me and not get confused in a movie that isn't a sequel to those.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm a big One Piece fan. One piece has thousands of characters many with fleshed out back stories. They all feel fresh and unique and the universe is coherent. But marvel? Most if not all super heroes are interchangeable and the universe makes no sense.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This is not to defend marvel, but 3/4 the women in one piece look exactly like Nami.

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[–] DrPop@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A one piece will at least flash back when your reintroduced to someone. Bellamy second appearance.

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[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

When you strip away the trappings and just look at the scripts, it's incredible how generic all of the dialogue is.

It would be trivial to re-purpose any script to be for any other character because of how little they truly differ.

I'm entirely unconvinced that they haven't already been algorithm -assisted

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[–] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.ml 64 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Endgame was stupid. The solution to Thanos was have Tony conveniently invent time traveling and then save the day. Infinity Wars was the peak.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Infinity Wars was stupid. Have some super heroes run around fighting bad guys trying to destroy the world for some stupid reason. There was no pick. It's all stupid.

[–] QuodamoresDei@midwest.social 16 points 1 year ago

All stupid is correct.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 57 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Maybe you’re just older because they weren’t good to begin with

[–] Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Nobody says they were masterpieces. But they were entertaining - and excellent at it as far as cheap entertainment goes -, now they're just sad to watch. I followed it closely until No Way Home, that was my closing point. From now on, I'll only watch Spider-Man movies because I'm a huge fan of the character. Couldn't care less about the multiverse they're selling

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[–] Sigh_Bafanada@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Marvel films are the popcorn flicks of the 2010s. None of them are masterpieces, but most are just a fun watch.

But now they're often not even that. Besides a few outliers (No Way Home, GOTG3), they fail to even be entertaining popcorn flicks. I'd say the line is National Treasure. If it's better than National Treasure, that's a solid popcorn flick. If it's worse, then it's not worth watching.

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[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

There was something to look forward to as all the characters got their movie and then the big team up to fight the big bad guy.

It was never Oscar worthy material, just some nice entertainment.

[–] vonxylofon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, the first Iron Man still holds up well.

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They were never good you just had dogshit standards.

[–] KazuchijouNo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, I would have worded it differently but I second this

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[–] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

They hated him because he spoke the truth.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This is another occasion where I really hope the lesson isn’t “Female leads don’t sell”. Probably an obvious observation, but Captain Marvel always struck me as a boring, flawless, invincible hero without much personality.

[–] HenchmanNumber3@lemm.ee 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Superman problem. Main sources of conflict tend to involve depowering, fighting another godlike, or threatening people they care about. Over and over again.

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Endgame was shit, infinity war was the actual peak

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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Meanwhile, Loki is the best MCU content to date.

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[–] Varixable@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Marvel peaked with the first Blade movie and it's all been varying flavors of downhill since then. This is the truth.

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Everyone argues with me over it, but The Incredible Hulk (Edward norton) and Iron Man/Iron Man 2 were pretty much it for me.

I did enjoy No Way Home, and Thor Love and Thunder, but the rest were so watered down. Captain America & Bucky VS iron man was the death warrant. He can take a tank round, but not a punch from Cap?

Hulk pissing himself in Infinity War against Thanos with just the power stone? No. Hulk should have smashed him to a pulp.

[–] GrapesOfAss@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The two Hellboy movies did the Marval style film before Marvel and it was only second to Iron Man.

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[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

But Infinity War was the better movie. Is this still up for discussion?

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

They were never good.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Guardians of the Galaxy were the only fun ones anyway. The rest was rehashed trash.

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

as an instance admin, regarding your profile picture: fuck you very much lmao

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[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I thought comic book movies were in decline until the Batman came out. The question is if Marvel is willing to part from their generic formula so their movies feel fresh.

Marvel needs some good direction from a management level, they need to build an Avengers team of writers who can really think of an overarching plot and have an end goal. They keep introducing new characters and then just don't use them at all (where is Shang Chi?), their IP is spread out too much across unnecessary TV shows, they need to get their budget under control because somehow everything costs a billion, and their end product is worsened by the fact that their VFX teams are being overrun. This is Kevin Feige's time to shine more than ever and he needs to show Disney that he can earn that pay.

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[–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is this a staged joke? Is everyone here in some conspiracy to make me believe that either the world went mad or I did? Why is everyone calling every Marvel movie "peak" but the first Iron Man? Obviously, this was the best one.

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel like comic book movies in general, peaked. Marvel nor DC have made anything that gets close.

I think the big reason is that marvel had to make due with it's B and C suite of characters, after they sold the rights of to their most popular franchises, like X-Men and Spiderman. They had to step their writing game up to overcome the limited popularity of the characters.

[–] xeekei@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought it was the opening of Lady Gaga's Poker Face.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

The Marvels was a fun movie tho

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Marvel movies have never peaked because it was a downwards slide from the start

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[–] Pharmacokinetics@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My god End Game was trash. It qas terribly rushed. They should've just ended it in Infinity war with a cliff hanger.

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[–] Moonrise2473@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are too many. The other day I saw the latest flash movie. It's the second? Third? Fourth? I don't know because they don't put a number and I don't care enough. Too many stuff referenced other movies or series making watching a bit of a hassle. Is this just unknown and will be told later for making the movie interesting, or it's because the audience is supposed to having watched 40 hours of previous works?

If they really need to push a new superhero movie or series every 2 months, their stories should be self contained, at most separated in a trilogy. Not an infinite parallel universe constantly self referenced that needs a guide that tells you which content you need to watch and in which order.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Flash is not MCU. The rest is true.

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