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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 144 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Just a reminder that this isn't caused by lack of nurses. This is caused by a lack of salary, and a lack of support staff being hired.

[–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago

Don’t forget being treated like absolute shit by people who think browsing YouTube on the toilet is “doing research”.

[–] Ryan213@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MrClayman@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I’m so tired. Just trying to get to Thanksgiving break at this point.

[–] Wooster@startrek.website 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

12 hour shifts certainly isn’t helping any either.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Knew some nurses that did 3 12s and then had 4 days off. Seems like it could be nice on one hand.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

My neighbor works in the NICU. She does 3 12s. She then does two more for the overtime pay. I don't think she's the exception anymore.

It's horrible to watch someone burnout just to support their family..

[–] hpca01@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

IDK my gf works in ICU and loves it, she works 6 days straight and gets 8 off.

[–] SheDiceToday@eslemmy.es 2 points 1 year ago

12 hour shifts aren't all that terrible, as long as you actually get off on time and are paid well for working the appropriate amount of time (whether that's 3/4/4/3 or 5/2/2/5, or 2/2/3/2/2/3, or any other schedule that gets you close to the standard hours per week). I've done 12s for about a decade, and haven't had any problems with it aside from occasionally running into schedule issues because it's hard to predict what day you'll be working/off without calculating which week of the pay period it is.

It all returns to how much work you have to do in those 12 hours. Having even a few minutes of downtime repeatedly throughout a shift has been going the way of the dodo, and that's going back to the original point of poor pay and fewer people to do everything needed.

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

100% correct. I am a nurse who hasn't worked for 3 years because of childcare costs

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t think it’s the money honestly. Wife was an RN for 2 hospitals over 10 years and the reason she left to go private practice is because of the lack of support. Hospitals only care about the $ and, so called, patient rights, which comes at the expense of their staff’s word. She was rarely backed even though the patients or their families were lying 90% of the time.

She could make 2x as much at the hospital but chooses not to go back because of how miserable she was there. Screw them.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, that's the point really. If the job is that bad, you need to offer hazard pay or people find alternatives.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That may keep some but in my wife’s case there isn’t an amount of money that would get her back in the hospital systems.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Funny how it's the most compassionate of us that are fucked the hardest by capitalism

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's interesting because in terms of the amount of school/time you need to invest, nursing is a pretty good job. You can become an LPN in less time than it takes to get an Associate's and then make $50k starting out. RNs can get 70-80k starting out, although some states have raised educational requirements so that you need a Bachelor's.

[–] Taco2112@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

You can make that much but in places they don’t. I worked as a radiology aide and an OR aide at a local hospital when I was in college, thought about pursuing nursing as both of my parents are nurses. Two years there and one year of pre nursing in college and I thought “why am I going into this career? I get treated like crap by those above me and the patients, I get no support from my supervisors, I come home every day tired and complaining about work, and the stuff I bitch about is stuff my dad says has been happening since the hospital opened in the 70s” I got a degree in history and now I work as a PM for a contracting company that specializes in historic preservation, making more than I ever would as a nurse and I go to work and go home everyday in a pretty good mood.

If everyone working in the hospital wasn’t being treated like shit then I probably would be a nurse today but my time at the hospital was a huge eye opener.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I'm reminded of Graeber's take, that jobs that contribute nothing to society are paid extra, to compensate people for the knowledge that they contribute nothing, whereas jobs with a clear point are expected to take a pay cut in return for having a job with meaning.

[–] constate368@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is what happens when the disparity in wealth continues to grow.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Well, people keep voting for political candidates who want to change nothing...so...