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[–] penquin@lemmy.kde.social 27 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Of course it won't be available for us here in the US.

[–] leo@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 34 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately we need to force companies to do the right thing. And we should.

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's going to rely on the US people. If they make a big enough fuss, Apple will have to bring it to NA. But in all likelihood it will be gated by your regional payment provider.

[–] penquin@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And we all know how much our people here care about stuff like this. lol

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

My guess is Apple has already bought out most states if it gets to that. So you'll get a few that will squabble and just get nothing done.

Hope I'm wrong.

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[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I'm getting tired of all of Google's BS, so I've been looking into an iPhone.

But not being able to sideload apps is a big deterrent. Not having real Firefox is another one.

If Apple could open up iOS to be more flexible and user-configurable, they could probably draw a lot of Android users like myself that appreciate the great hardware and are tired of Google's business decisions.

But iOS is still dumbed down and locked down so badly.

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Apple being Apple, will charge some absurd fee to "sign" images to sideload on your iPhone. I wouldn't hold my breath. Get GrapheneOS on a Pixel in the meantime.

[–] PrMinisterGR@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

You can already do that with zero fees. The only issue is you have to redeploy the app after a week. That’s how AltStore works.

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[–] bigdog_00@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I second that suggestion, just install GrapheneOS. I switched from my iPhone to GOS over 6 months ago and haven't looked back. It syncs with nextcloud for everything and it's seamless!

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm about to receive my first iPhone, since the 4, on Monday, because of all the same reasons. I used to love Android platforms, because they allowed me to do whatever the fuck I wanted. Now I can't even unlock my bootloader, at all. Even if I could, each of the vendors came up with a solution to permanently softbrick your phone in some way.

The only custom app I really want at the moment is modded Youtube, and having Altserver running isn't really an issue. That said, if I didn't need to do that at all, that would be fantastic

[–] corvid@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

You can try Yattee for YouTube. It’s in the AppStore, you just need to give it an invidious or piped instance to connect to.

[–] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

What has Google done that Apple hasn't?

[–] feef@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I recently switched to iPhone from pixel and am very happy. However, I understand the need to sideload apps, haven’t watched YouTube at all on the iPhone because of the annoying ads.

I’m hoping that iOS allows installing apps from other sources soon, would also love to use the real FF.

[–] cuntonabike@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean, I’ve been using uYou on iOS since I got the iPhone two years ago. It’s a bit of a pain to set up initially, but assuming you have a PC or laptop that is switched on often enough and on the same WiFi network, running iTunes and AltStore, it will auto refresh in the background.

It has sponsorblock and all that good stuff too. Normal YouTube is literally unwatchable.

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[–] ANIMATEK@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sweet lord my mouth is watering.

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Imagine iOS with the same liberties as macOS 🥲

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's the fascinating part to me. Installing thirdparty apps on iOS? Criminal, security circumventing, stability affecting. Installing thirdparty apps on macOS? Click the confirm button if you're confident, I guess

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’d prefer not to lump the stupid with the smart. If people are stupid enough to install willy nilly that’s on them.

I’d prefer the choice.

Also, smh for thinking every app out there is some nefarious bit of code.

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[–] the_ramzay@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hello from Poland! Just waiting here to finally have opportunity to install emulators without Alt Store 7 day refresh and limit of 3 apps only! Very sad, if you, guys from USA, will not be allowed to use this feature.

[–] icyfrost@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can‘t wait for Delta Emulator. I had to deinstall it because of the three app limit and before Reddit made those stupid API changes I had uYouPlus and Delta. Now I have uYouPlus and Apollo.

[–] xts@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can sideload Apollo? :o

[–] icyfrost@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Yes, there is a modded version which works with your own API key. https://balackburn.github.io/Apollo/

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 8 points 10 months ago

Well, they make it much harder for right to repair, Just following from what Louis Rossmann points out.

Might as well hand out some crumbs here and there...

A small win is a small win, even if forced by EU. Similar to the USB-C port change.

At the same time, Apple will also appeal to the European Union about including the App Store in the Digital Markets Act, which is no surprise. Apple will likely try everything to preserve the iOS App Store. But ultimately, iOS 17 will be ready for sideloading.

[–] ZeroDrek@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cool. Can we do the same with AppleTV please!?

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[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (7 children)

What app is everyone dying to get?

[–] RedWeasel@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'd like a true Firefox(not webkit) and Emulators.

[–] PuddingFeeling907@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Yes! We need all those extensions.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The option will allow an entire community of open source apps to exist for example.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 7 points 10 months ago

F-Droid in iOS 😎

[–] B0rax@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Fucking finally

[–] dth@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] feef@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

For me revanced for example, also a non-WebKit browser.

Especially if the EU passes article 45, I will have to install my own browser to remove the spying capabilities article 45 would impose.

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

I think emulators are likely at the top. I can see Ryujinx absolutely being a top download. Big enough that Nintendo would absolutely arm up their legal team. Imagine every iPhone and iPad becoming a Switch!

Then region-locked apps. There are tons of games and apps in general that change from region to region. Chinese games are never like their NA counterparts. This would effectively unlock every region to the user.

Lastly, just random shit. It would be cool to install 3rd party apps. FOSS apps. Just anything that doesn't need to go through all the red tape of the App Store.

[–] kadu@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I won't use a smartphone that can't run Tachiyomi. There's no better manga app, in any platform, ever.

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[–] dvdnet89@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago

uyouplus, Apollo, BHTwitter

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