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Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Friday gave one of his most direct condemnations of the civilian death toll in Gaza and said more needs to be done to “minimize harm to Palestinian civilians.”

Although Blinken commended Israel for its announcement of daily military pauses in areas of Northern Gaza and two evacuation corridors, he said that “there is more that can and should be done to minimize harm to Palestinian civilians.”

The top US diplomat has subtly shifted his messaging in the days since he departed the Middle East earlier this week to more directly voice condemnation of the civilian toll in Gaza and the US’ expectations for the Israeli government. However, he still has not condemned the Israeli government offensive and has continually voiced support for its right to defend itself.

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[–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago

"now here's more bomb money."

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Was there an acceptable number?

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago

0 is a number

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Whatever the number was before it became unacceptable or when polling showed they were on the wrong side of public opinion.

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, they exceeded Ukraine civilian casualties now. /s

Shame on every leader who stood there doing nothing but support killing of civilians.

[–] eletes@sh.itjust.works -3 points 11 months ago

Any number that doesn't lead to Biden losing votes

[–] Sooperstition@lemmy.one 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then don’t endorse and finance their genocide motherfucker!

[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right? We strongly condem Israel for Palestinian lives.

Also, here’s billions more to keep it going.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Was listening to a Canadian retired politician earlier this week. The problem is that 50 billion a year in aide to Israel is a roundabout subsidization of the American military complex. The vast majority of that money is then used to buy American made weapons. It's an elaborate system to steal money from American taxpayers and put it in the pocket of the elite few.

Good luck turning off that tap.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Either gotta sweep the elections completely, or just put a new system in place. Biggest obstacle is these dumbass Biden voters, collectively going "we can't vote for another party because it might fracture the vote".

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'd argue the "dumbass Biden voters" are the only ones keeping America from truly turning into a regressive theocratic state.

And no party is fixing the Military Industrial Complex. It owns all the politicians.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Do you not see the contradiction in claiming that the "military industrial complex" owns the pool of all the politicians, but then refusing to vote outside that pool?

Dems ran Hillary Clinton in '16 - a horrifying, war mongering two-face, basically. What was the reaction of the GOP? Elect Trump. He seemed reasonable to them compared to her. They think it's "lesser of two evils" too. I would argue that the horrible candidates across the aisle guarantee our slide towards fascism and even the theocracy the GOP is pushing.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

Both parties are in on the military industrial complex. Only one party is actively working to remove rights from women and anyone not white.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Should have been sanctions decades ago for ethnic cleansing and Jewish settlements.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago

Illegal settlements. The UN has called Israel on this bullshit for decades.

You know damn well the Palestinians that are leaving to escape the bombing are not going to have homes to go back to but we aren't supposed to talk about that.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's true. There are now half a million extremist settlers in the West Bank who were allowed to build homes there in violation of international law. The US did nothing even though this has made the idea of a Palestinian state effectively impossible. That was Netanyahu's plan to create "facts on the ground"

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Strange how the right to self defense doesn't extend to Palestinians being ethnically cleansed out of the West Bank.

[–] sfcl33t@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Talk about too little too fucking late!

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The US administration, still providing diplomatic coverage to the Fascists that rule Israel, hence the mild "finger wagging only" criticism and even that immediatelly diluted by commending them for doing the element of their military plan they already wanted to do.

Those bloody hypocrites are trying to thread the needle between de facto "unwaivering support" of the Israeli Fascist regime even as they really go no-holes-barred in their inhuman treatment of those they see as subhuman, and not losing too many votes in America or too much support from allies around the World.

[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen and read Blinken talk about “concrete plans” for the past couple of weeks already. Where are these plans? Where are the discussions around formalizing them with UN’s backing?

Most importantly, what sort of “concrete plan” does not involve a ceasefire and a hostage exchange with Israel on board? Let’s start there.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Actions talk and bullshit walks. They talk about "pressure" and "negotiations" but they're trying to ram through a $14 billion arms package.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

Next we'll be hearing about how it was just some "bad apples" in the IDF that did the genocide and after these two corporals get resigned to desk jobs everything will be ok.

US Cops and IDF run from the same playbook.

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

These statements are a bit wild to me.

Whenever I hear this I always wonder what the "right" amount of Palestinians that should have been killed is.

[–] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

War is brutal. There is an acceptable amount of civilian casualties, and according to him, Israel has exceeded that number.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Let's tell a story... Imagine for a moment, if you will, the United States in the present day.
Imagine a bill reaches the US House of Representatives called "America the nation state of white people".
In its basic principles it states "the right to exercise National self-determination in the United States is unique to white people".
Further down a clause for White Settlement "the state views the development of White Settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation".

Outraged a coalition led by the Congressional Black Caucus initiates a challenge to the bill and proposes a bill of their own where it calls the United States "a country for all its citizens" but the speaker of the house unilaterally disqualifies the bill before it's allowed to even be debated.

The House General Counsel explains in a statement the bill includes several articles that are meant to "alter the character of the United States from the nation state of white people to a state in which there is equal status from the point of view of nationality for whites and people of color" the bill is dead.

"America the nation state of white people" passes through both chambers of Congress unchallenged it's then signed into law.

US President Joe Biden would invoke the law in a tweet a year later saying "America is not a state of all its citizens according to the nation state law we passed America is the nation state of white people and not anyone else"

As one Rights group put it "there is no Democratic constitution in the world that designates the Constitutional identity of the state on racial grounds as serving one ethnic group".
There is now, this disconcerting scenario is anything imaginary. It's completely real and happened just a few years ago to little coverage and little condemnation in Israel.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 5 points 11 months ago

Then move away that carrier group. Words mean nothing.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

A few was ok, though, right?

[–] exportdemand@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago
[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Although Blinken commended Israel for its announcement of daily military pauses in areas of Northern Gaza and two evacuation corridors, he said that “there is more that can and should be done to minimize harm to Palestinian civilians.”

The top US diplomat has subtly shifted his messaging in the days since he departed the Middle East earlier this week to more directly voice condemnation of the civilian toll in Gaza and the US’ expectations for the Israeli government.

Far too many have suffered these past weeks,” Blinken said at a press availability in New Delhi at the end of a whirlwind trip that also included stops Israel, Jordan, the West Bank, Turkey, Iraq, Japan and South Korea.

In Tokyo on Wednesday, Blinken described the US’ terms for a “durable and sustainable peace” in Gaza after the war, and on Friday he reiterated that “some progress” had been made in setting those “basic principles.”

Speaking in India Friday, Blinken said “some progress has been made” in the week since he met in Tel Aviv with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli officials, but “this is a process and it’s not always flipping the light switch.”

On Wednesday at a meeting of the G7 Foreign Ministers, however, there was joint supported for humanitarian pauses -– not a ceasefire -– in Gaza “to facilitate urgently needed assistance, civilian movement, and the release of hostages.”


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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Oh, have we gotten to the phase where the US tells Israel "We have to start making some statements to mollify the domestic uproar, but just ignore it, we'll be sending you a few B in weapons next week." ?

[–] filister@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And they send weapons with which even more civilians would be killed and homes destroyed. Oh the double standards.

[–] Alwaysfallingupyup@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Its called losing the war..