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[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 260 points 1 year ago (11 children)

But he... wasn't. He lost the presidency in 1932 to Paul Von Hindenburg (53% to 37%. not even particularly close) who later appointed Hitler under pressure to the channclorship (which was an appointed role) in 1933. Hindenburg died in January of 1934 and Hitler de facto merged the presidency and chancelorship into one office (Fuhrer). The story isn't "regular people put Hitler in power", it's "broken legislative systems are vulnerable to facists".

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 167 points 1 year ago (2 children)

broken legislative systems are vulnerable to fascists

Lucky America doesn't have a broken legislative sys... Oh no

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least we have a good judici...

Fuck.

[–] Fester@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can rest easy knowing that the judiciary is subject to checks and b…

God damn it.

[–] UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But i mean.. at least there subject to some level of ethi...

Well fuck all of us.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] ensignrick@startrek.website 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Not sure entirely about that. Nazis were still a party that held up to 44% of seats in the reichstag (before they were all nazi) with like 6 different parties. Hitler wasn't isolated. The population voted for him and his party. Hindenburg didn't like Hitler but essentially passed away at a terrible time and Hitler outplayed Papen who was meant to keep him in check. Hindenburg felt he had to since they had the closest to a majority in the reichstag.

"In the end, the president, who had previously vowed never to let Hitler become chancellor, appointed Hitler to the post at 11:30 am on 30 January 1933, with Papen as vice-chancellor.[91] While Papen's intrigues appeared to have brought Hitler into power, the crucial dynamic was in fact provided by the Nazi Party's electoral support, which made military dictatorship the only alternative to Nazi rule for Hindenburg and his circle. [Sauce]

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[–] krzschlss@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You really expect a politician to tell the truth, especially when it comes to history? She and the rest of the US political elite for decades now are just mouthpieces for interest groups, mostly military groups who make money with wars abroad. Together with the media, they sell you wars abroad, while waving any currently popular flag at home for votes. The US elections are so loud, you don't hear the sounds of pain and misery those events create abroad, especially in Middle East.

After the reports of Israeli invasion in Gaza, the first smile I saw in media was that of Hillary. When the wars and killings across northern Africa and Middle East started during the Arab Spring, her smile was the most prominent one for months.

Every time this slime of a human being crawls out of a crack in the wall in Washington somewhere, a war is either being prepared or needs justifying for the american voters. All that with a smile, while the cameras are rolling.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 111 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I get it, but this take fucking worries me, dawg. The last time the Democrats played the "I don't have to try and appeal to you because the other guy is Hitler, lol" card, 'Hitler' won. It's even a little on the nose that this is coming from Hillary. I'm worried that they're falling into the same intellectually and politically bankrupt trap as in 2016, that they're aware that they don't have a meaningful platform besides "we're not republicans", and that they've somehow convinced themselves that this is enough. The republicans of 2020 and 22 also had that same absence of platform, absence of appeal, and just trying to coast on party brand, and look where that got them. Shit is on fire, we don't have time for these dumb fuck games, let alone for Trump to win again. C'mon guys, don't fuck this up.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're always going to fuck up. That's what they do. Most of them belong in retirement communities yet for whatever reason think they have what it takes to run a government. They're disconnected from reality yet expect to appeal to regular people, who have to suffer in the reality they've created?

Expect more shitshows.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The grassroots efforts are the only reason Dems enjoying their recent victories. Hard-working people who want to see progress. We'd be looking at a red Congress if not for them, and I look forward to when the DNC is irrelevant, too.

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[–] teft@startrek.website 30 points 1 year ago

When she called them deplorables they ate it up. She just needs to not stick her nose in.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It’s even a little on the nose that this is coming from Hillary. I’m worried that they’re falling into the same intellectually and politically bankrupt trap as in 2016, that they’re aware that they don’t have a meaningful platform besides “we’re not republicans”, and that they’ve somehow convinced themselves that this is enough.

The irony is that... progressives absolutely do have a solid platform that people generally support. by people, I'm excluding Hilary's and Biden's Corporate Donors. Sorry, I don't have to respect Citizens United.

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[–] docAvid@midwest.social 15 points 1 year ago

It's not an accident. The country is moving left, and the right-wing Democrats are afraid of losing control of the party. They almost did, twice. They don't take the "the other guy is Hitler" rhetoric seriously, themselves. They aren't worried about losing their power if the Republicans win the Whitehouse, or even both branches of Congress, because it's all one big club, and they won't be kicked out, as long as they go along to get along, but they are terrified that a leftist rise will take the reigns of the Democratic party from them, and then they really will be out of power.

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[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Someone couldn't find a photo of her looking less...Palpatine-y?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're welcome to try, but it might take awhile....

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[–] spider@lemmy.nz 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 year ago (6 children)

An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.

In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.

Ah, the real reason people hate WikiLeaks. It exposed the truth, but rather than focus on the truth people focused on the messenger.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My brother in OSRS, they had emails from the Republican Party as well, but didn't release them because they said there was nothing interesting in them. I don't disagree at all that Clinton's strategy was inappropriate, but there's plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike WikiLeaks. Ironically, there's a lack of transparency on them. They should've released the GOP emails.

WikiLeaks has a problem when we need a WikiLeaks for WikiLeaks.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

My brother in Middle Earth, the hate started long before WikiLeaks allegedly had any Republican emails, and even searching for the subject now I can't find anything that says WikiLeaks had them.

Edit: I found a source, reading it again pretty much tells the whole story (it wasn't emails but "information on the Trump campaign"): https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/293453-assange-wikileaks-trump-info-no-worse-than-him/

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[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly the republicans had zero say in their slide to right wing extremism and could do nothing about it. It's not like their flirtation with the Tea Party movement meant anything.

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[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hilarious mistake.

I suppose this would have been effective if even a fraction of the Republican voterbase was reasonable.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hilarious mistake.

The mistake wasn't elevating Trump, but running in the first place.

There's a very real chance she'd have lost to Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush in a non-Trump national campaign, simply because she was a weak candidate with an awful reputation in the Midwest. There's a reason she struggled in the primary, both in 2008 and 2016, against a couple of political outsiders despite having an enormous financial and name-recognition advantage.

You can't win the Presidency without Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. And Hillary was never going to win those states, under any alternative opponent. She lost Pennsylvannia, ffs. No viable Democrat loses Pennsylvania.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd like to say Trump would be too stupid to pull off a Hitler but the more I learn about Hitler the more I learn that he was by no means a bright man.

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[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 47 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I love how most of the comments here are about how much everyone hates Hillary rather than about what she actually said. I get it that people hate her, but let's be real folks; Trump is the only relevant clear and present danger here. Bitching about Hillary seems pretty pointless at this point.

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I hear you. What she said is correct. The thing is, this person is so unlikeable that there's no way she can help. No matter how sharp you are, or how good of an elected official you'll be (and I do think she would have been extremely good at her job if she was elected (I did vote for her)), you must have charisma to be effective in politics.

I honestly believe in my heart that if she paid millions for widespread TV ads with her saying "do not vote for Donald Trump" it would help him.

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[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shut the fuck up you old hag, you and your party got him elected by running ads supporting him and fucking Bernie in the primaries. Why can't she just fucking die already

[–] joystick@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't want to see or hear about Hilary Clinton anymore. She pushed her way in and fucking lost to Trump.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The fact that she lost the 2008 primary to Obama (basically unknown at that stage) should've been a clue that she's deeply unpopular and unelectable.

Part of it is because of decades of right wing smears, but part of it is also because she can sound very out of touch at times.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

The best thing Hilary Clinton can do is shut the fuck up and go away

[–] joker125@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (9 children)

All the negative anti-Hillary comments in this thread aside, please vote responsibly in 2024.

We cannot afford another 2016 situation again.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (31 children)

Maybe a politicker who brags about being mentored by Henry Kissinger, a war-criminal whose record matches that of Heinrich Himmler himself, shouldn't be referencing Hitler.

[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 52 points 1 year ago (13 children)

"matches that of Heinrich Himmler", you mean the head of the SS and one of the main people behind the holocaust?

Have you ever considered that your life, and life in general would be better if you didn't have such absurd and shrill opinions?

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[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago

kissinger lost his glasses in a toilet so he can't talk

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

“You know, I hated losing, and I especially hated losing to him because I had seen so many warning signals during the campaign,” Clinton said.

Oh you did? Then maybe you should have fucking campaigned like you were running against a fascist instead of strolling casually to your inevitable coronation.

[–] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Then maybe they shouldn't run with a genocide supporting senior citizen as a candidate

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why are things Hilly say relevant?

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[–] stephfinitely@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)

While I'm not her fan she is right and this exactly why the current trend on. The internet of voting 3rd party is dangerous, since the Republican are not playing in good faith and they will not split their vote.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, she is 100% incorrect. Hitler was not elected. He famously staged a coup d'etat.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

She's about 60% incorrect. The nazi party won a majority in the reichstag via normal electoral means before hitler was appointed chancellor by then-president Paul von Hindenburg. It was only after a series of electoral victories and in the anticommunist bloodlust that followed the reichstag fire that a state of emergency was declared and the coup began in earnest. I'll give her that she's mostly wrong because what she literally said is untrue, but because it's an oversimplification of what happened and her broader point, that nazis used electoralism before they used brute force, is true.

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I predicted in the 2016 primaries that if HRC became the Dem nominee, it would be the one thing the Right Wing in America could unify itself against- they hated her then and they still do today; I wonder if she realizes yet how big a gift it is to a splintered, ungovernable mob of political grifters to give it anything they can unify against

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

It was the most tragic thing when Bernie was pushed aside in favour of H.Clinton, who polled very poorly.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like it would be more useful if she switched sides. Like, instead of reminding us how the dnc keeps fucking us, she could remind the maga kids how close she is with Trump. Maybe they’d like him less by association.

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[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 year ago

With due respect, it is time for Hillary Clinton to be taken less seriously. Look at who she let win the presidency? A dynamic candidate that could connect with more voters could have flattened Trump. She came across as arrogant and entitled. She is a shrewd and intelligent person, but clearly disconnected from most normal concerns.

[–] a_baby_duck@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The candidate who delivered Trump his first term, still doubling down on her "deplorables" strategy 7 years later.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For the love of all that is, that has been, and that will be, get out and vote. Hillary opened her fucking mouth and the last time she did this shit Trump won. Every Democrat should now be rushing to the polls. The cycle is trying to repeat.

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