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So where are we at right now?
"We didn't bomb the hospital, Hamas did. And even if we bombed the hospital, Hamas used it as a base. And even if they didn't, a some of them were in there. And even if they weren't, there were Hamas tunnels under the hospital."
I wonder what's next
Step the Last: YOU'RE AN ANTISEMITIC ASSHOLE!
Probably hates America and all the awesome stuff it stands for
Note that this article mentions the "Hamad bin Khalifa" hospital.
The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the "al-Shifa" hospital there is a Hamas base
They're two different hospitals
There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Tantura in 1948
There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Khan Yunis in 1956
Israel never needed an excuse they just need a lie to sell to the rest of the world now that everyone is watching
You're right, it was previously the PLO that were bombing places and hijacking planes
The simplest explanation is that if Israel knew where Hamas is, they would have taken them out before any attack by Hamas. They don't know.
So they kill more than 4000 children? Would they have done the same if the kidnappers were anywhere else in the world? What makes killing over 10,000 civilians a fair trade?
The purpose of this war on Gaza is ethnic cleansing.
It doesn't make it a fair trade. My point is they have no idea who they are targeting, or they would have been doing targeted take downs before the conflict.
Collective punishment is a war crime. Having a 90% death rate being civilians is a war crime. Targeting hospitals, schools, water wells, aid trucks and bakeries is a war crime.
They said so themselves. The intent is ethnic cleansing. They have said as much that the goal is to depopulate the Gaza Strip. They have called Palestinians “human animals”.
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.
That is one of the laziest info graphs I've ever seen. All of this is terrible, bit please redo it for the first few months of each conflict. This graph was made to show the US as saviors.
It's almost like an occupied populace is in itself an inbuilt insurgency for the obvious reasons.
Oddly enough a lesson not learned from WW2.
Oh the lesson was learned. It's just being used to kill the oppressed population.
It was in Paris as well, time makes martyrs of oppressed children.
Agreed. Not really the point of the discussion, and also patronizing, but I wish you a good day.
How exactly was it patronizing?
Yup, thermobarics make tunnels deathtraps and Israel certainly has the thermobarics we sold them.
Israel’s not using Fuel-Air bombs here. There’s no point. They’re just using a shedload of mk 80 series with guidance systems. Probably the Mk 81s that the US brought back into service to try and reduce collateral damage during the Iraq war.
Except they have, it's been documented alongside white phosphorus on mixed targets (civilian w/ "terrorists").
Hamas leadership is in Qatar.
Seems like they learned from uncle sam how to empire.
I wonder how quick world leaders will backtrack their support for genocide once more misinformation is disproven…
My bet is that we will be waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time
It's nuts to me how there was a recent poll showing Biden taking a hit in swing states, presumably because of the wide and unprecedented public support for Palestinian freedom, and how the reaction among some liberals is turning in to, "Biden's support for genocide is bad now because Trump could win again." Criticizing the US supporting the genocide, through the spectacle of partisan politics, turns in to, "this is how you get another Trump victory." Instead of vocalizing the disapproval, it's like "don't say anything because it could help Trump."
Cue some liberals telling us "tough shit, vote for Biden anyway" You're right talking about it in a partisan lens is a huge problem. The government is meant to represent us, all we should need to do is make sure they know how we feel.
shocked Pikachu face
Who could have foreseen Israel lying?
The video apparently states that this info is 8 years old and doesn't really prove either way, whether hamas was digging tunnels under the hospital.
You... You get out of here with your 'reading' and 'common sense' and and 'considered opinions'! Heathen!
No tunnels but surprise Saddam Hussien!
One of these days the IDF is gonna fuck up and accidentally tell the truth.
There have been plenty of Isreali politicians and military people openly saying they are punishing the people of Gaza and want to ethnically cleanse the place.
To the shock of probably 1 pro isreal tech bro
I genuinely don't care about Hamas anymore, they're symptoms of a greater evil, Israel is directly responsible for the radicalization of those people, because of the horrific conditions Palestinians are put in.
One side is right and the other is wrong… I suppose nobody considered this possibility and the answer was in front of us all this time. Looks like we found the key to fixing the Middle East. Well done!
Hmmm they go from one country to another trying to take over the government that let them in. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi wont let them in either... wonder who that can be ???? s/
Where's the video of the IDF or Netanyahu going over a 3D rendering of a hospital to explain how the Hamas tunnels may be underneath key infrastructure buildings?
The propaganda coming out of the IDF justifying their next move is always so insanrly ridiculous. But I guess if there's now videos coming out of how and where these tunnels are, the IDF might find some more accuracy in their violence.
Note that this article mentions the "Hamad bin Khalifa" hospital.
The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the "al-Shifa" hospital there is a Hamas base.
They're two different hospitals.
In other words, it is so far uncontested that there is a Hamas base under the al-Shifa hospital (which is the main hospital in Gaza).
The World: Hey you may have committed a war crime.
Your Response: It's okay though, nobody can prove we committed a war crime in this other location!
What is wrong with you?
"It's almost as if." No worries.
I am so glad this got posted here so we can have a discussion about it after it was locked on Lemmy World.
So they did an analysis of 1 hospital that had hamas fighters in the hospital launching rockets within 200ft of the premises... and found that the IDF was mistaken about a tunnel at 1 of their claims... even though there is video footage of tunnels at other hospital locations, this particular one is false so that takes away credence to all claims.
And these claims for the qatar hospital is being made by the qatar news network. ok gotcha
Israel is doing the best it can do in a difficult moral situation.
I wish I could block sources as well as users.