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[–] nyar@lemmy.world 250 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Because things that previously were general "adulting" functions have been hypercommodified and we're left having to navigate the world with less money, less time, and less idea of what's real and what's a scam.

This isn't a generational issue, it's fucking capitalism.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 106 points 1 year ago

We also get to do our adulting with the knowledge that almost everything we do is slowly cooking the environment.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

Thank you! I get so tired of the generational generalizations. And you're right, it's getting more difficult for working people of all ages to navigate this late stage capitalism shit show.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pushes glasses up nose: Uh, late stage capitalism, to be clear.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Please. As if this isn't the goal for capitalists. It's their wet dream.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Insert Scooby Doo meme unmasking capitalism.

[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 107 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah no shit. They feel that way because it is that way. You don't need polls for this information. It's economics. "Perceived" or not, it is actually, literally harder for millenials and younger adults to achieve the same level of financial stability as their parents, full stop. That's not a matter of feeling or perception. That's the declining real value of money. Inflation, greedflation, economic contraction at key life milestones, wealth inequality, lower indicators for health, and on and on. Across every metric I can think of off the top of my head, millenials and the next generations perform worse than previous generations due to circumstances entirely beyond their control (and largely the result of the prior generations, including dead hand control and policies directly adversarial to young adults' accumulation of wealth). For many young adults, the best financial windfall they'll ever experience will be when their more affluent parents die, and no active measure they can take on their own behalfs will meaningfully change it.

The ruling class should be terrified of them.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The ruling class should be terrified of them.

Well, this time around they've got technology. They've got the Internet.

And they've learned from past attempts, and I believe they have nearly perfected their ideal society (which is really just feudalism again). Which includes exposing people to enough lies and propaganda that they will actively advocate against policies that would help "correct" things, and in favor of policies that worsen and perpetuate their (and their children's) own situation.

At least here in the US, we're far too comfortable with our Real Housewives, and our XBoxes to ever take real action beyond just voting. I'm including myself in this so don't think I'm being high and mighty.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

Gee, it's almost as though paying 2½ times more for an education and 3 times more for a house on basically the same wage is hard. This is not rocket science. It's basic arithmetic

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a terrible headline that puts the blame on them instead of the people who made the world they have to live in...

[–] Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Gee whiz, I wonder who runs the company's putting shit like this out there? Couldn't be...

[–] Wooster@startrek.website 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The article keeps mentioning a “glimmer of hope” but that glimmer is just surviving or getting married on schedule.

I don’t know what they’re smoking.

[–] Kachilde@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

That glimmer of hope is the lure of the anglerfish, waiting to devour the naive millennial.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gen Z and millennial adults are having a hard time achieving the same milestones their parents did when they first ventured out into the workforce, such as finding a job, getting promoted or buying a house.

Ha! What a joke of an article. The financial and environmental and social concerns today are wildly different. Many CAN'T do what their parents or grandparents did. It's not a one to one comparison.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Read 'Hell's Angels' by Hunter Thompson. He has a chapter on the economics of being a biker/hippie/artist. A part-time waitress could support herself and her musician boy friend, and six months as a Union stevedore would keep an Angel on the road for two years.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's tragic what capitalism has done to the middle class in this country, and that includes brainwashing us into accepting it, if not directly advocating for it.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

I say this all the time.

Before Nixon took office, 'middle class' was one job supporting a family of four. That's with a house, a car, and money to send the kids to college. In those days, $1 million was a giant fortune. By the time Bush Sr. left office 'middle class' was two incomes to support the family and $1 million was what a rich guy paid for a party.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

It's a lot more palatable to adult, when your actions have a reasonable chance to lead you to a better life situation.

[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think any of that is "adulting."

As a parent of a 17yo, adulting is:

  1. Buying and eating your own healthy food
  2. Arranging your own transportation
  3. Working and living within your means, whatever that looks like
  4. Paying your bills on time
  5. Regularly doing something for the community
  6. Making and keeping your own appointments
  7. Managing your own meds
  8. Having someone/ something besides yourself to take care of
  9. Trying to understand people you don't agree with
  10. Focusing on people instead of problems
[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I’m stealing this list. And I’m a 52 yo man.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I'm still fucked regardless of definition. I can barely get through the work day even without substantial caffeine, even with 3 years off caffeine and just being miserable I still had bloody diarrhea and back pain that would come and go with seemingly no explanation. Having a camera snake through me didn't reveal anything. Then whenever I don't have anything else fucking me up it's migraines with aura that last as long as a week and a half and everyone is mad at me when I am finally able to get to work without either killing someone with my car, or getting run over with my bike.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

adulting

Please don't

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago

This article is a really clever bait and switch. It talks extensively about how resilient and optimistic Gen Z is. Which is unfortunate for me: I wanted an article explaining how I can get better at adulting.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago

0/0%, just throw my corpse in the work dumpster when I die.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

We're better at a lot of different stuff than they ever were. I just don't like buying car insurance by phone.