Isn't Wordpress powering like 40% of the internet? PHP isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

For me the weirder part of that meme is Python in 2022?

There are two kind of programming languages:

1. The ones everyone complaints about
2. The ones nobody uses.

It's hard to justify using anything other than JS or if you wanna be fancy, Web Assbly, for the FE.

Any other front end language involves generating Javascript from your language, which inevitably ends up with you making a weird Frankenstein project that mixes the two.

I'd rather just use stuff like Webpack or Vite to compile my JS front-end out of JS (or TS) from the start. It always ends up being a cleaner result.

My backend though can be whatever the fuck I want it to be.

But if you ever think dynamically compiling/transpiling a JS front end on the fly on demand is a good idea, instead of simply just delivering static pre-compiled/transpiled pages, you're part of the problem for why the web is so slow and bloated.

It's wild how crazy of projects people will build that take 3 entire seconds to just deliver a 500kb static form that doesn't even need angular to do anything. They turn a couple hundred kb into several mb for no useful reason, it's wild.

PHP is amazing

If you're thinking of PHP version less than 8 you need to have another look

Totally stateless. Uncached server side rendered response times in double digit milliseconds.

Types

Extremely battle, highly tested frameworks.

Excellent tooling for tdd, bdd, static analysis, automated browser testing, coding standards and auto fixing. Even fully automated refactoring for things like package upgrades (Rector)

Regular, solid, releases bringing updates and fixes

Arguably one of the best package management systems, Composer. And only one, none of this constantly changing tooling that some other ecosystems seem to do

Properly open source platforms to power all kinds of web projects from e-commerce, CRM, social, scraping, analytics, monitoring, API, CMS, blogging

Basically if your target is server side web stuff then it's really good

Or, you can continue to demonstrate how out of touch you are by continuing with the old "PHP bad" jokes if you want!

PHP isn't dead. It's just smelled that way for decades.

This was nearly a decade ago. I worked at a small app company (5-10 developers) for a bit that used Ruby on Rails for our product. The product was in active development, but was available to customers so it was “done”. We were hiring a senior level dev to oversee the team and we interviewed this guy (maybe in his 40s?, a but older than most people in tech) and he said his first order of business if hired would be to refactor the entire code base to php. I don’t think he was joking. I’m not sure why he interviewed.

This is an irritating meme.

Were people saying PHP was dead in 1995, the year it was released? I guess maybe?

But who was suggesting abandoning PHP for Django in 2003, two years before the latter was publicly released? I suppose the person who made this must've read that Django development started in 2003 and gone with that; most of these years correspond with when the respective project started.

So, the reason Perl (which remained more popular for web development than PHP or any of these things into the early 2000s) isn't on the list must be because it actually predates PHP.

But then what is up with Python in 2022?

I'm sure there are a lot of reasons why PHP is better than Python for the backend, but I created an app wirh Symfony 5 and then an app with Django 4.

Symfony is so weird compared to Django. With Django I can just sit down and get things done. Symfony always seems to have some quirks which are mostly due to PHP (and me not knowing how to program in PHP).

That said, PHP hosting is so much easier and cheaper, this probably is important for smaller projects.

I like how 3 of them, across almost 20 years, boil down to "learn Python". When's that dude gonna die??

2022: learn python

Who said that, exactly?

2023 is the year qbasic comes back i can feel it

Symfony, Laravel & other PHP based frameworks are going strong. PHP isn't going away anytime soon.

django and flask are python btw and people wanted to learn python or perl from like 15 years ago, the popularity of python 2 and its "Issues" led to robust dev on python 3, not to mention it being a default for many linux distros since a long time ago

What is dead may never die

The PHP I've once used is probably not even remotely close to the PHP people use today. The issue is, once you lose the trust and confidence, it's hard to gain it back. All the people who consistently shit on PHP have also probably not tried it in a very considerable amount of time

PHP is dead, learn javascr... no

I used to think the same about Perl, PHP is not dead because it needs someone to kill it, but I think it won't gonna happen

Who is PHP?