I really don't understand how unanimous and encouraged this support for Israel is. And then we like to think of ourselves as the good guys, and wonder why others hate us.

It's such an obvious wrong thing, and yet it is supported by most. It's completely absurd.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

An opportunity for Europe to indulge in a little casual racism while salving its guilt over the holocaust.

[+] MxM111@kbin.social -28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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[+] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

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[+] MxM111@kbin.social -19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well for one side it is a security issue, and the other side have their main objective publicly stated and action supported destruction of Israel, which by the way have Arab citizens whose rights are the same as everyone else. You can see how one can be easily confused by your statement, right?

Actually no, I asked rhetorical question too.

[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If we are talking about main objectives publicly stated and action supported, maybe you should listen to the Israeli foreign minister:

At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease

This isn't a security issue, it is an invasion.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So tired of fucking Biden quotes.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do not listen to political speeches. But I am so tired when people are throwing words like genocide without even 2 seconds of thinking. Should I just go and use “antisemite” in responce?

[–] catfish@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On this topic, on this instance, it's far far worse than the standard of discourse on reddit

[–] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Are you talking about antisemitism?

[–] MxM111@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I admit, this does sound as grab for land, and yet the goal is not destruction of Palestinians. And formally, grab for land, as bad as it is, is not genocide.

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@MxM111

And formally, grab for land, as bad as it is, is not genocide.

I agree with this. If the goal is to grab land and for a specific group to leave that land so you can grab it, the technical term is "ethnic cleansing" not genocide.

In practice, for logistical or ideological reasons, ethnic cleansing sometimes turns into genocidal killing, which is partly why we take it so seriously.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Sure, the grab for land should not happen, and despite of what one prime minister says, I do not believe it will. The stakes now is just too high to allow right (ultra right even) block in Israeli parament who is in power to use justified response to grab for land, with all that's going on in the world with Russia/China/Iran, etc. I think there is/will be fundamental shift in Israel politics where current ultra right parties with "strong on defense" politics will be blamed for insufficient progress of resolution of Israel/Palestine problem and voted out. But this will happen only after the current war is mostly finished and Hamas is removed from power Palestine. The only way I see out of this conflict is establishing Fatah/PA rule in sector Gaza.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Have you consider Israel delenda est?

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Hamas would do it too if in the IDF's position, but that's even more of a reason for us to support Israelis that want lasting peace. Part of sustainable peace would be Israelis supporting anti-Hamas Palestinians. Attacking Gaza doesn't really threaten Hamas' power, but IDF reserves protesting Netanyahu did. If Israelis stop harassing Palestinians, Hamas risks getting replaced by a less fascist government. The goal of Hamas isn't bettering Palestine, but ruling Palestine. Parts of your country being destroyed is preferable to getting overthrown for political entities like Hamas.

[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't want to be a hater but whenever I see that face below a headline I know some terrible news is coming.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Real talk, has she ever been in a job where she hasn't failed miserably then been promoted?

[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

Promoted to be removed in the fashion "promoveatur ut amoveatur" do you mean?

[–] Hubi@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago

In this case being a hater is 100% legitimate.

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Ursula literally went ahead and meet with Israeli officials behind the backs of the other 27 Reps and without their knowledge. Uncontrolled is stating mildly.

It is so outrageous and against protocol' that now I do not know if she is a massive fan or a plant. Perhaps her donors may have appreciated it.