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[–] PlayingtheDrums@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if you want people to know you don't like Mussolini, signing a contract for Hitler to play football for one of his clubs isn't the best strategy.

[–] AAiraSS@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

What a dumb thing to say

[–] eltaquitoloco69@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He gonna report the government to the government?

Good luck

[–] memnactor@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The courts aren't part of the government and officially the government shouldn't be able to influence the courts decisions.

Unfortunately we've seen that barrier weaken in most of the world recently.

I don't know what the situation on this is in France.

[–] LordVelaryon@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He isn't reporting it to the government. Do you remember something called separation of powers?

[–] eltaquitoloco69@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you remember something called separation of powers?

Nice reading about it in books, have yet to see it in real life 🤷

[–] samrus@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

wait till you graduate from high school. it'll be very exciting seeing all this stuff for the first time

[–] Nuns_N_Moses11@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, the elusive “government” which apparently means every single public entity, court and governmental organ…

[–] samrus@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

do you think civil suits are you tattling to the government?

[–] Abdukabda@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If he had the slightest, smallest, most insignificant link with the brotherhood, he wouldn't walk free for three seconds in Saudi Arabia.

Source: I'm from Saudi Arabia, the government doesn't tolerate anyone who is even remotely affiliated with the brotherhood.

[–] First_Inevitable_424@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I apologize for my ignorance, is this opposition between the Saudi Arabia government and the brotherhood still a big thing? I hadn’t heard about it for a long time and don’t know much about it.

[–] zatara1210@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A little known fact I’m learning these past few weeks is nobody hates muslims more than other muslims

[–] Santa_Klaus_101@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If only Non-Muslims were aware of this fact. There is nothing stronger than a Muslim’s love for another Muslim, yet simultaneously the opposite is also true. I’m not sure if you’re aware of sects in Islam, but extremists from the two major sects (Sunni’s and Shia’s) absolutely despise each other to the point where they’ll claim the other isn’t a true Muslim.

[–] MightySilverWolf@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It should be noted, for the avoidance of doubt, that both Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brotherhood are Sunni. The conflict comes from the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood is Islamist whereas the current Saudi crown prince is pursuing a policy of westernisation and liberalisation (and probably eventually secularisation).

[–] HodgyBeatsss@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The rivalry is power politics, not particularly ideological. Saudi Arabian state has been opposed to MB for long before MBS and is mainly concerned about a rival political operator.

[–] Multiammar@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no mainstream Shia scholar who does not consider Sunnis as Muslims.

[–] Santa_Klaus_101@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously the vast majority don’t agree with these extremist views, I’m just referring to the 1% of people who say it out of pure spite and hatred. Although I’m well aware it’s more likely for a Sunni to say it than a Shia. Hell, I don’t have to look further than my own family - one of my uncles actually believes that Shia’s aren’t true Muslims. It’s crazy.

[–] Dr_Prodigious@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Yes but I say this as someone raised Sunni, Sunni sectarianism (to the point of denial of their Muslimhood) towards Shi’a is far far more prevalent than the other way around.

[–] prollyanalien@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Schrödinger’s Muslim.

[–] castleswamp@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is nothing more annoying than people starting a post by implying they know their stuffs only to end up with the most basic, ignorant conclusions.

Those you call extremists are not the extremists of Shia or Sunna,they are their own thing, ISIS is for instance is just a modern freak that combine aspects from the Khawarij and the Assassins with modernist/post-modern elements.

Keep in mind that Sunna weren't formed as a "sect", they were the anti-sect guys as such they were always defined as the opposite to whatever new sect was rising untill around the forth-fifth century where the madrassa system started spreading, and who was the very first sect to immerge? The Khawarij, so imagine how annoying it is to confuse sunnists with their very first enemy, Shai weren't even THAT relevant for many centuries and the prime ideological opponents for sunnist were the Mu'utazillies and similair sects for most of the early centuries.

[–] DannyBrownsDoritos@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not a Muslim, but isn't it more accurate to just call them Wahabists? It seems to be a pretty accurate description of their ideology than the Isma'ili Assassins and the Khawarij.

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[–] kitajagabanker@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Muslim brotherhood are the founders and currently affiliated with the some of the most evil people on the planet, like Erdogan, Hamas and Hezbollah.

https://carnegie-mec.org/2018/07/11/flexible-resistance-how-hezbollah-and-hamas-are-mending-ties-pub-76782

[–] jayr254@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

There is nothing stronger than a Muslim’s love for another Muslim, yet simultaneously the opposite is also true.

TIL Muslims are basically Uchihas. /s

[–] ____mynameis____@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

And the biggest victims of Islamic extremism are Muslims themselves.

Yeah just look at timur the lame

[–] Cuddlyaxe@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The Brotherhood is basically just moderate ISIS. They're Pan Islamists who want a worldwide caliphate based on Sharia, the difference with ISIS is that their practice of Islam is more mainstream and they're more ambivalent on the use of political violence

But that doesn't matter too much, what does matter is the worldwide caliphate part. In the MB's ideal world, they'd depose the Gulf Monarchies to add them to the Islamic superstate. This is why Saudis and UAE view them as an existential threat

[–] serduncanthebold@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Forget the sects, it's basic politics. The Muslim Brotherhood is an ideology that opposes monarchies.

Monarchies hate them.

[–] Salahudin-Al-Rawandi@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

tbh i'm not even sure why the muslim brotherhood is considered "bad". I've heard good things about them - they elected that morsi fellow right? they were pro-democracy, but socially conservative. Morsi went to iran and criticized them for not being democratic.. in TEHRAN. man had balls.

[–] RingsChuck@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Muslim Brotherhood is bad because of political violence associated with it, Islamist (think Saudi-level) but different school of thought). Just because you encourage democracy doesn’t make you a good group.

[–] Salahudin-Al-Rawandi@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because you encourage democracy doesn’t make you a good group.

? it literally does.

political violence is associated with palestinians and muslims generally in western media and zionist narratives anyways.

for instances, y'all think jihad is a terrorist slogan, as is allah hu ackbar. *rolleyes*

So gimme a break with that "associated with political violence". That's so ambiguous as fuck.

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[–] Working_Nerve_373@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lamo that isn’t true. Muslim Brotherhood is not a a political terrorist group.

[–] 875ysh@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

“One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”

[–] borb--@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

There's a pretty good thread about them here with a lot of different viewpoints if they're 'bad' or not: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/y6589v/thoughts_on_the_muslim_brotherhood/

IMO they're mostly just incompetent, and I'm opposed to theocracies in general.

[–] kog@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think the conflict is very active at the moment in Saudi Arabia

[–] MBThree@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, that’s exactly what the comment you are replying to is saying.

[–] tenacious-g@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Adultery is also punishable by death but Ronaldo seems to be alive and well there.

[–] telcomet@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I wonder if that is partly why he is doing this. If he can show the claim is defamatory, the claim is massively damaging because of what you say

[–] brycemoney@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Really? After the Valbuena issues, I don't doubt Benzema at all to have some friends or acquaintances who are part of the brotherhood. I don't see it being that impossible.

Same in Egypt.

[–] A_Round_of_Gwent@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin, who's the one who accused Benzema of those links, is a known racist, homophobe and islamophobe (he just hates minorities in general and believes they shouldn't exist in France) who was involved in a rape lawsuit (I think the investigations are still ongoing but I'm not sure). He's minister who was in charge for the 2022 UCL final and blamed Liverpool fans for the chaos that ensued and believed they deserved the brutal treatment they received from the police.

[–] musyarofah@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Liverpool fans know him fucking well

[–] luigitheplumber@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Good, it unfortunately won't get rid of Darmamin but that doesn't mean Benzema should let this go.

[–] Lord_Sauron@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

French Right-wing politicians are fucking degenerates. Hope Benzema rinses this fucker for every cent he's worth

[–] rosenpenis@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Hope Benzema gets the proper punishment for being a pedophile rapist & extremist Muslim.

[–] thisisqiqi@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Google benzema brotherhood

[–] musyarofah@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

the same Piece Of Shit who blamed Liverpool fans for using “fake tickets” and such for the Paris UCL final disaster, only to get grilled in the senate and embarrassingly apologized.

[–] islanders2013@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

So that's who N.O.D are....

[–] evilbob99@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

well done benz

[–] telcomet@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Not a huge fan of Benz but would be great if he did this. Nothing better than an angry deep pocketed litigant against a piece of shit racist defamer, would teach them to trade in racist populism.

[–] Holycrabe@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Please do man, kick him in the nads.

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