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A district judge in Wisconsin has sided with an 11-year-old trans girl over her use of the girls’ toilets and temporarily blocked school officials from preventing her access.

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[–] ilovetacos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Good! Republicans need to get over their obsession with trans children's genitals.

[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

The obvious solution is to make available an additional bathroom that is universally available to anyone.

[–] journeyman@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

I've never understood why I should care where someone else goes to the bathroom anyways.

[–] Turkey_Titty_city@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

gender neutral bathrooms are the answer here.

most public places have them now, don't get why you can't have one in a school.

[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In places with large crowds, gender neutral bathrooms (assuming you also mean single-use) don't really work. It causes massive lines.

Not to mention, there's no need. It's a bathroom. Why does anyone care who they pee or poop next to? It seems so silly and arbitrary to me. Just get in, do your thing, wash your hands, and get out. haha

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We can have gender neutral bathrooms where we have a shared hand-washing area, and individual stalls. Heck, you can even have cameras pointed towards the sink area if people are so afraid of getting harassed in the bathroom. Gender should not matter when you have individual stalls.

[–] Pixlbabble@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I feel like there's a much bigger issue going on. 11 years old? Did they even go through puberty yet?

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Why would they need to go through puberty? Did you not know what gender you were before puberty?

Plus, if you figure out you're trans (or might be trans) that young, you'd usually take puberty blockers explicitly to delay puberty until you're a bit older and doctors can be more certain, at which point HRT can be started. Puberty blockers are very safe and reversible, unlike puberty (whether natural puberty or HRT puberty).

[–] SmurfDotSee@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would they need to go through puberty

Because MASSIVE hormonal and neurological changes happen with puberty.

It's like the most drastic change of your body and mind that most people will ever experience in their lives.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So the idea is to take someone who knows they're trans and force permanent irreversible changes on them just for the joy of being cruel to children instead of just forestalling puberty with a reversible treatment.

[–] SmurfDotSee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

someone who knows

Call me EXTREMELY skeptical that anyone knows fuck about anything before puberty, let alone their lifelong gender, sexuality, or anything else concerning the things that hormones change.

reversible treatment.

This is a total bullshit statement. We don't know the long-term effects of puberty blocking, for this particular purpose. There's plenty of studies that show the bone density is fucked up after, if they choose not to fully transition. Plenty of other side effects that may not be reversible, but we don't know because it hasn't been studied enough.

So no. I call bullshit on that.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Puberty blockers are very safe and reversible

This is 100% incorrect btw.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/puberty-blockers-not-so-reversible-after-all/

https://wng.org/roundups/study-effects-of-puberty-blockers-can-last-a-lifetime-1617220389

https://www.worldtribune.com/we-were-wrong-canadian-doctor-says-puberty-blockers-not-safe-or-reversible/

https://www.transgendertrend.com/nhs-no-longer-puberty-blockers-reversible/

The FDA doesn't even approve puberty blockers for "gender affirmation".

You can't just "pause" puberty and then go through it years later completely unaffected. That's not how it works.

[–] Eccitaze@yiffit.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's see...

Right-wing rag, right-wing rag that has the phrase "Biblical truth" in its slogan, right-wing rag pushing vaccine conspiracies and transphobia on its front page, aaand... anti-trans hate group.

Your bias is showing.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My “bias” was literally go to google and search, then grab the ones that had studies and scientists/doctors backing them up. The NHS no longer says that puberty blockers are reversible. It doesn’t matter what site reports it, they’re reporting facts.

What I take from this is that you know they’re right, you just want to deflect because you have no actual response.

[–] Eccitaze@yiffit.net -1 points 1 year ago

Nah, you just grabbed whatever shitty articles backed up your existing viewpoint because if you'd bothered to do any actual research you'd have seen that at worst there's a hell of a lot more nuance than the anti-trans bigotry you spewed all over the thread:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-science-on-gender-affirming-care-for-transgender-kids-really-shows/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9793415/

https://www.healthline.com/health/are-puberty-blockers-reversible

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075

Oh, and please note that my sources are from official government sources and peer-reviewed journals, not transphobic right-wing rags that are pushing agendas.

[–] nxfsi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I wish I were on puberty blockers. I'm not trans btw

[–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, at what age did you start to believe you were cis?

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Bigots are incapable of thinking this way. They only see LGBT+ people as "the other" and themselves as "normal", so they never realize that they themselves at one point figured out their own identity (including both gender and sexuality). They think it's only LGBT+ folks having to figure those things out.

It's bizarre, especially since society does push cisgendered and heterosexual norms at a very early age. Young boys will get asked if they like any girls and they'll constantly be pushed with gender roles and stereotypes for their birth gender. It's so normalized that most folks don't even seem to realize that it happens until confronted with the existence of any alternative (like LGBT+ folks). A reasonable person would examine their biases and realize stuff like "huh, I guess I knew my gender from a young age", but bigots have this irrational hatred for LGBT+ people so they're not willing or capable of this kind of insight. Their brain has to twist logic into justifying the bigotry that they've already concluded on.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yes? 11 is an age where children often are hitting puberty and if someone is trans, that's when gender dysphoria would become more pronounced.

[–] fugepe@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What happens when she'll be 42?

[–] eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She'll probably be a regular 42 year old woman?

[–] fugepe@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago