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“It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

The New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America is facing a political firestorm after the organization promoted a pro-Palestine rally in the wake of Hamas militants’ attacks on Israeli communities.

The group did not organize Sunday’s rally, its leadership said Monday. But several lawmakers with DSA ties are distancing themselves from what was said at the event.

“It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y) and one of six DSA members in Congress, said in a statement late Monday — her first comments on the rally.

“The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment. It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas’ horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation,” she said.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Whenever there's an anti Israel protest, you can guarantee it will devolve into anti Semitism. For some reason you can speak about Palestinians without thinking about their ethnicity and religion but if you bring up Israel the Jew hate jumps out. My wife is Canadian Jewish and has no interest in Israel or politics, but she still gets shit on about Israel, as if every Jewish person on earth is Israeli.

You have to seperate the racism and bigotry from the call to end occupation or nobody will ever listen to you.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree, but you have to remember that the Israeli state wants it this way. They want the world to conflate Jewish and Israeli in order to hide their own fascism. And they will drag every Jewish person to their pit if allowed to. Just like Hamas wants to tangle every Muslim into their warped worldview with their holy war bullshit excuse for violence.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It doesn't help that the pro-Israel factions accuses anyone criticizing Israel an anti-semite, even other Semitic people.

It seems that Jews are the only people that can criticize Israel without being called anti-semite. They get the self-hating Jew label instead.

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

No. Jews who come out against these actions are “self hating”. You can’t win.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Serious questions: Semites are Northern African and ??? Wikipedia was less than helpful, including the embedded link about ancient Semites https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Semites are a large group of ethnicities that came about thousands of years ago and still exist today. Two of the largest groups are Arabs and Hebrews.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, was thinking Palestinians are Semites too. Thanks.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Tbf that's probably by Israel's design.

The more people are bullied into associating with Israel by antisemites, the more likely they are to hop on the right of return bandwagon.

This is partially because they want their own version of america's demographic life support, partially because they want more settlers, and partially because they still have a SERIOUS chip on the shoulder over how American jews flatly rejected Zionism and the creation of Israel at the outset.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What anti-Semitic things were said at this particular rally? Do you know? Maybe I missed something, but the article seems rather sparse on details.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is shit-tier journalism. Who said something antisemitic and what specifically did they say? Without that information this is merely propaganda.

[–] Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Politico is owned by Axel Springer SE who also own the Bild, a german tabloid that regularly spreads hate about minorities and anything left of center right. Axel Springer also got funded by the CIA in exchange for promoting a pro american mindset.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not disagreeing but citations would be nice.

[–] Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of my sources would be in german but most of what I said is mentioned in the wikipedia article and its sources.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Who said I didn't speak German?

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the info!

[–] blazera@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Article has no examples of anti-semitism allegedly at the rally. Criticizing Israel is no more racist than criticizing China for their uyghur genocide

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This reminds me of the accusations of antisemitism that Jeremy Corbyn attracted during the last election in the UK. I kept asking for evidence of his antisemitism but nobody attacking him could provide anything of substance.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As far as I recall, he attended a funeral where one of the other guests had loose ties to an extremist group.

Some flimsy bullshit like that is why the next general election is going to be a choice between fascism and a feckless centrist party led by a wooden doll that wishes it was a real Tony Blair 😮‍💨

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guilt by association? I hate that it worked and I hate that people who are sympathetic to Israel would stoop so low.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I couldn't agree more tbh. I tried, but turns out there isn't a higher level of agreement than "total" 🤷

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Don't you know? The Zionist definition of "antisemitism" includes "literally any criticism of their genocidal apartheid ethnostate, including pointing out that it is, in fact, a genocidal apartheid ethnostate."

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We need about 200 more AOCs <3

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

In general, yes, but not based on this.

[–] TAG@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Not really. She is an idealist and visionary. She has an idea for what the future of the country should be, but, from what I have seen, she never gets too deep in the details of how to achieve it. We need people like her to say that we should not be using fossil fuels to power our transportation, but we also need people who can determine how much funding the government needs to provide to put more chargers on public parking, what the fine would be for hogging the parking spot, how many parking enforcement officers we will need to patrol them all, how much the power grid will need to be updated to provide power to the chargers…

Yes, many of the details fall to the executive branch to execute, but Congress needs to allocate funding for it, remove legal barriers, decide on penalties for non-compliance, etc.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

People have to create good guys/bad guys to suit their point of view I guess. This time it's not that easy, the picture is not that clear for most. But, the vile animalistic acts of Hamas can't be justified in any way. Now, I expect Israel to be draconian in their approach which will light them up more.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's almost like the Muslims want to exterminate Israel so if you protest Israel they show up and genocide is obviously their goal. Israel sucks but I'd never show up to an anti Israel rally for a reason.

[–] Raikin@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

In my experience it strongly depends on the organizers. The latest pro-palestine rally i attended was organized by some leftist organizations in coalition with local palestinians and that rally worked out very well. Some conspiracy nuts with signs how Jews rule the world were told to fuck off by some Antifa guys and everything else went very well. Also no national flags besides palestinian ones were allowed, i appreciated that a lot.

[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was a dues paying member of the DSA until this rally. I refuse to be associated with this kind of disgusting sentiment.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The group did not organize Sunday’s rally, its leadership said Monday. But several lawmakers with DSA ties are distancing themselves from what was said at the event.

Sure ya were, bud. Or, shittttt, maybe you were and just not mature enough not to let perfection be the enemy of good.

[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The DSA in New York promoted and supported this rally, the fact that they didn't organize the thing directly is meaningless. I'm not associating with this kind of sentiment.

This is not a lack of perfection, this is an abhorrent cheering and support of terrorism against innocent civilians. I can direct my political efforts to the cause of progress without continuing to support a group that thinks that is acceptable.

[–] theuberwalrus@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah they did. Denial doesn't change facts dude.

[–] theuberwalrus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I usually catch their tweets but missed that you. You are right.