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[–] Smoothie_Criminal@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hillary stole Bernie's nomination and robbed Americans of his presidency

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] kokoapadoa@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Because of America's dogshit election system, she won the popular vote.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Did she steal it tho?

The Bern caved, which was a cuck move.

I still support him but that was a clown mistake imho setting working and young people back a decade or so.

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the only solution to this problem is subsidies.

Subsidies knowledge works well around the world.

[–] aregularbeaneater@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I think subsidies got us here in the first place. When the government pays for stuff it drives prices up.

[–] smac@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, Bernie's full of crap. He's deliberately twisting facts to misinform. He's using today's highest minimum wage to calculate paying tuition at levels of 50 years ago, and trying to imply that people only needed to work 306 hours THEN to pay for college tuition THEN. That's just not true.

When I was working during high school / college, minimum wage was $1.50 / hr. That works out to $459 for 4 years of college education. Tuition at public institutions in the mid '70's was $1210 / year nces.ed.gov That's $4840 for 4 years at a time when my comfortably middle-class father was earning ~ $25 K / year. It was cheaper, but not by as much as Bernie claims.

Also, public colleges have always been subsidized by the state. You'd also need to look at the level of subsidy between then and now and whether we're choosing to subsidize less.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Subsidy is about the same the most places... admin bloat though requires higher fees from students.

[–] TPMJB@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not minimum wage's fault, it's the government guaranteeing student loans. Tuition skyrocketed since then and has been out of control since.

Then with so many people being told "You have to go to college so you don't become a garbageman!" the requirements for most jobs increased as well. Manufacturing in pharma, for instance, I could take a kid out of middle school and teach him the job in an hour. Get fresh grads from college for a bachelor's degree and they still need an hour of teaching. But now the Bachelors is required for some reason.

Ironically, garbage man pays pretty decent for some minimal manual labor.

[–] markr@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Student loans were guaranteed way back in boomer days too. So that would be a non-difference.

[–] TPMJB@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Sallie Mae wasn't even a thing until 1973. Literally not boomers LOL. Federal student loans were very uncommon back before the 90s even and applied to only a few different areas, not everything. It is incredibly clear that something happened in the early 2000s that caused the current fiasco, with both tuition and debt skyrocketing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_tuition_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Tuition_cost_of_college.png

[–] Vino@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Not easier, simpler.

[–] nichos@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

College prices went sky high when the government started backing student loans, they should have never done that.

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Except the government has been backing student loans since the GI bill passed in 1944. College tuition started growing in the 80s and really took off on the 90s and 2000s. So of the government backed loans didn't cause skyrocketing tuition for almost 2 generations, why did it start when millennials were just being born?