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How do y'all cope with this

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[–] thantik@lemmy.world 102 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (32 children)

I struggle every day with the thought that the corporate noose tightening around all of our necks will not be solved unless we as a society begin to provide some real ... 'mortal incentive' to the oligarchs of the world. No way I could ever do it myself, but I understand the need for it now more than ever.

Normally I'm a solutions guy. I shouldn't be coming up with this as a solution for the issues of the world right now, but it's gotten so egregious that the systems we've put in place FOR THE PEOPLE are not working for the people any longer.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Threat of force is a solution.

It's basically what the police exist to do - behave the way we want, or we'll send someone with a gun to take your money, property, freedom, or life.

[–] 100@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (30 children)

All authority is derived from the monopolization of violence.

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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[–] rip_art_bell@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's not like they're giving us much choice

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[–] justastranger@sh.itjust.works 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Blowing up fossil fuel infrastructure is a moronic idea that'll create an environmental disaster worse than the infrastructure existing. Instead, sabotage it so that it stops flowing.

[–] meathorse@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Good point, way less environmental damage to do something about the execs and billionaires in this world

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Right?! All the dumbfucks talking about blowing up pipelines want to trade one environmental disaster for another. Its pathetically misguided.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 60 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Are you morally obligated or are you ethically obligated? Or is it both?

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

I'm just here to blow shit up tbh

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you morally obligated or are you ethically obligated? Or is it both?

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[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

difference?

[–] Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Ethics refer to a set of rules provided by an external source. I think this is 100% a moral obligation to blow shit up.

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[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How about a foreign fossil fuel infrastructure first?

-Your friendly neighborhood CIA agent

/s

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Hey got any fun terror plans I can hop in on? Just text me the address and I'm there.

-Your friendly neighborhood FBI informant.

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[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Blowing it up will not stop them as they'd just rebuild. More pollution in the process.

[–] insomniac_lemon@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I assume there's gotta be a better way. Like clogging it beyond repair (shut off+completely solidified), siphoning operations (assuming a spill isn't caused)... And in either case, converting it into something less bad and/or storing the carbon in a stable manner.

(Although even rebuilding from what I see may be at least $1M-$2M per mile, they sure have the money but it's not insignificant either)

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[–] Slwh47696@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just killing billionaires is probably the best option

[–] shroomad@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we run a Go Fund Me to hire a hitman?

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Flash mob might work better.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A muzzle flash mob, if you will...

Sorry, I'll show myself out lol

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[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I heard they protect the pipelines near places where it's easy to access and they know pretty quickly where the break happened so they can find you. It's quite difficult to actually figure out how to blow up a pipeline and not immediately get arrested.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are thousands of miles of pipeline, Im not so sure.

For all their bluster, did the FBI ever find the guy(s) who shot up the substation in south carolina last year? No it isn't a pipeline, and it was attacked for dumbass rightoid reasons, but... did they ever find who did it?

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the us and China had a nuclear war the planet might survive.

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How do I cope? Video games that let me blow up infrastructure.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've looped around to sadomasochism.

Destroy the world! Kill us all! Burn me more daddy!!! 👐 😩 💦

[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who gives a fuck if you end up on a list? The only list you should be worried about is Santa's good list and that's not for another two months

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[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

Exactly what I was just thinking. This exact realization is a significant plot point in the book

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[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same thoughts, my mind even came up with a good plan. Drones equipped with remote activated termite pots. It melts through steel easily and fossil fuels burn. You can do this from a distance and it uses cheap available materials. I don't have the guts to do it though... So it remains an Idea.

[–] Tomato666@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thermite pots? Or maybe scary GM termites

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I would, but this bad air quality thanks to our fossil fuel industry has given me pretty bad asthma and other respetory problems resulting in low energy.

Too sleepy.

Y'all blow it up for me tho, ya? Imma take a nap.

[–] ChildlessZamboni@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

Final Fantasy VII

[–] VintageTech@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Smash the Petroliarchy!!!

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Monkey Wrench gang gang

[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I watch the Watchmen.

See, by posting this, I'm on the watchlist too. So the watchlist is watching the watchmen watching the watchlist watching the watchmen ad infinitum. If you're asking "watch the fuck?", to explain without using the word watch, I've engaged an infinite mobius surveillance loop.

Side note, by making it to the bottom of this comment, you've all done Dr. Seuss proud.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Easy. Think this, believe this, never do anything about it. Let's see how you grow to handle it.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

and pay attention to your wife!

[–] emmie@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No watchlists on lemmy post away ;)

[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

That is a BOLD assumption no three letter agency scrapes data from Lemmy.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Small companies measure their hard drive capacity in Gigabytes/Terrabytes. Large companies measure their hard drive capacities in Petabytes/Heptabytes. The NSA measures their hard drive capacity in acreage.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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