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[โ€“] BigMoe@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

I was born into, but as I grew, I had to know for myself it was true or not. I did a lot of praying and reading, and one day received an answer to my prayers. In this case, the best I can describe is a flow of light and knowledge, and a confirmation to my Spirit that it was true.

From then on I've had more experiences, but that was the start, and that is why I continue on the path I'm on.

[โ€“] TootGuitar@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is your Spirit? Can you describe its properties and offer some evidence to show the rest of us that it exists? How do you know you received an answer to your prayers? How might someone else replicate this experience?

[โ€“] BigMoe@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There certainly is a replication process, as found in the Book of Moroni (a section within the Book of Mormon), chapter 10, verses 4 & 5

"4.And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things."

As for knowing it was my Spirit feeling an impression, it's much the same as people knew what emotions were long before we could see activity in the brain; through experience we can recognize and understand it even though it does not as yet appear on a scan.

To paraphrase a church scholar Hugh Nibley, it's not that science and https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gospel-library/id598329798 contractadict, but that incomplete religion and incomplete science do. Complete religion and complete science work fine together.

For properties, we go to Doctrine and Covenants (another standard work in our church), section 93, verse 29

"29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be"

In other words, the building blocks are intelligences. Now, when those intelligences come together, they can be formed into a Spirit.

Moving to section 131, verses 7 and 8

"7 There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes;

8 We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter"

To reframe my experience then, the Holy Ghost, a member of the Godhead along with Jesus Christ and The Father (who are separate beings), spoke to my Spirit in a way I can sense and understand internally but, much like emotions before brain scanning, I cannot show.

Certainly happy to answer more questions (though I will be on the road today).

There is an app that contains all our standard works and will make finding these and other references easier. I believe there is also a section for Gospel Topics

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gospel-library/id598329798

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.lds.ldssa&hl=en_US&gl=US

[โ€“] TootGuitar@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every single one of the things you mentioned are claims, not evidence. Maybe I can rephrase my question:

When I buy a delicious Share Size Snickers bar at the 7-11, I see on the package that it claims that the bar weighs 3.86 ounces. It feels a little light to me; I am skeptical of the fact that this particular Share Size Snickers bar weighs what it claims on the package. My options are:

  1. Take the weight printed on the package as the truth and don't question it any further;
  2. Put the bar on a scale and measure its weight independently, to confirm whether the weight is correct.

With regard to religion, you appear to be doing only #1, and I'm asking how I can do #2. What are the tools and evidence I can use, akin to the scale, that are independent of the religious text (= the Snickers wrapper) and can show me that your claims are valid?

[โ€“] BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are people answering atheist here? OP is asking for religion. It's like if OP was asking what colour your basketballs are and having people respond (at length for some reason) that they don't have one.

[โ€“] Scrollone@feddit.it 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Atheism can be considered a "religion". In fact, it's the "religion" of people who believe there isn't a God.

[โ€“] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's like calling baldness a hair style

[โ€“] settoloki@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago

I'm bald. I have to shave my head to achieve the look, shave my hair into a style if you like. Even if that style is the absence of hair.

[โ€“] Scrollone@feddit.it 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Strong atheist. Not only I believe there are no Gods, I think religions are bad for humanity and society as a whole.

[โ€“] settoloki@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With you on this.

I don't think religion causes war, but I definitely think it's used as an excuse to do unthinkable things to living, breathing and feeling people en masse, not to mention the damage to the planet and it's other inhabitants. Like you say religion is used to control people, people are willing to die for their religion, willing to turn on their children or vice versa.

Though I do get that for some people it brings them hope, allows them to be part of a community and other benefits. And even though it also fuels pure hatred, bigotry and racism and gives people personal allowances to commit atrocities. I wouldn't hold any negative feelings to those that do choose to take part in religion. Providing the religion stops before the evil starts, nothing too extreme, ya know. There's a line but hard to say where it's drawn.

[โ€“] settoloki@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago

To add to this the absolute worst thing religion does is try to force itself on others. Wouldn't be such a bad thing if it was just kept to itself. But nope. Like the saying; religion is like a penis, it's fine to have one, it's fine to be proud of it. But if you start waving it around outside and start trying to push it down my throat, we're going to have a problem!