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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

The research is pretty consistent that Transfats are worse for your health, if only due to correlation with high processed factory made meats, though.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

This guy should learn to view science more like a constructivist. Pretty much everything in science is just something we made up that mostly aligns with the natural world, and just because one model is less accurate than another does not mean it's no longer useful.

We didn't abandon Newtonion physics when Einstein's model was accepted for instance, since Newtonian physics is still very useful, and much easier to use compared to others.

Edit: changed language from 'proven' to 'accepted'.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I mean, it's a shit post about how nutrition science is hard and full of misinformation.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

We didn’t abandon Newtonion physics when we accepted Einstein’s model ~~was proven~~

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 hours ago

That's fair. Language changed for accuracy.

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 1 points 8 hours ago

Well did I miss hearing that someone has proven Einstein?

[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I wasn't familiar with the term, but I always (until this moment) assumed that everybody viewed science that way.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Not so. There are those that believe objectivism is the true way of viewing the world. They view that we are on the way to understanding the universe as it truly is, that human perception will not pose an obstacle to that pursuit, and that there will eventually be one true method of viewing the universe in its entirety that is yet to be discovered. Constructivist beliefs directly oppose that idea, since all science is a man-made construct that can only approximate reality in their view. Constructivism also, then, leaves room for multiple theories coexisting because they provide better utility and insights in different circumstances. In the example of Einstein's Relativity vs Newton's Physics, we are talking about an older theory and the theory which usurped it because it was more accurate, and the general expectation is that another theory will be accepted down the line which will be better than both. That expectation is fairly objectivist, since it assumes there is a true model which we just haven't discovered yet. Constructivism does not make that assumption, since the universe likely does not fit neatly into our constructions in its image.

The other thing, is that constructivism challenges scientific realism to some extent, in that it challenges the existence of many things which we cannot directly observe, such as quarks, proteins, particles, etc... because "how can we actually confirm these things exist, when we physically can't observe them, and the things we're using to show their existence are constructs made up by us?"

This topic is still very much in a state of debate that has very strong implications around the philosophy of how science works and how it should be conducted. That's also just talking about constructivism's implications in the physical sciences. Things get much hairier when you start looking at the social sciences, where biases and perception are extremely influential on what we discover. Constructivism directly challenges the attainability of scientific objectivity, which has serious implications across all fields of science.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 8 hours ago

The amount of people who think that scientists don't understand how bees fly is evidence that most people don't have this world view. As if someone would see a bee flying, not only having been around for eons, but a very common creature most people are familiar with, would just throw their hands up and say "WHOA! THIS VIOLATES ALL THE LAWS OF PHYSICS! THIS SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE!"

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

this sounds like the kinda thing that I (uneducated in this topic) would go "heh.. yeah.." and upvote not understanding the joke

then I open comments and it's actually about tossing toddlers into a volcano and I am immediately sentenced with the guilt of upvoting a meme about child volcano sacrifice and I have to come to terms about how I am a horrible person who will blindly follow someones agenda because they were using big words and I am actually incredibly foolish and don't deserve an opinion about anything ever..

or it's just an extremely nerdy joke that nobody really understands but upvotes anyways

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Same.

I was like oh it makes sense that there would be different types of protein. Here I go into the comments to increase the fidelity of my mental model! rofl guess not

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 14 hours ago

no you were right the first time

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My standard response to that kind of statement is 'Good for you. Have a cookie.'

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 hours ago

My standard response is I would like to know more

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 74 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This reads more like an anti-science meme. Things are complex, if you don't understand them fine, but keeping yourself deliberately ignorant isn't going to stop reality from being reality.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe he's got a finer point, but it actually just looks like an argument against categorization. It's like saying I don't trust math about "triangles" or "scalene triangles" or "rhombuses" when you find out about the special properties of the equilateral triangle or the square.

The fact that there are differences between elements of a category does not eliminate the utility of the commonalities shared by elements of a category. It does limit that utility, yes.

For example, just because you are getting plenty of protein, if you somehow completely avoid one of the amino acids that the human body uses but can't synthesize, then eventually you will have some fairly specific health problems. That's not strong evidence that it's worth micromanaging your macronutrients by tracking your intake of all amino acids individually. (It might be; I haven't seen it studies either way.)

Maybe I'm missing some context, but I also get the "anti-science" vibe from the image.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I think it's a shit post about how he's been reading into the science and it is just way more complicated than what most people talk about.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It is, this guy is a known fraud and all-round bad dude

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

By who?

Everything I've heard about big yud is that he's a bit of a douchebag with a cult of personality. Never heard he's anti science, or that he's done anything wrong.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I literally thought this was a parody/sarcasm when I posted it lmfao.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago

Understandable

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this is borderline.

there's a point where we can argue that the US has shit standards for food safety. and there's arguing that chemicals names are scary.

plus, he's a bit of a weirdo with the Rocco's Basilisk and his weird harry potter fanfiction

[–] juliebean@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i assure you, there is much weirder harry potter fanfiction out there. i once read a Hogwarts Castle/Giant Squid smut fic.

Also, pretty sure a fellow named Roko came up with the basilisk, not Yudkowsky.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the Roko's basilisk was from his forum, true, not directly his idea, but hes sort of related.

he is just a guy that sometimes, I hear wierd stuff and then I am not surprised hes involved in that.

That harry potter fan fic is weird, because instead of smut or shipping, it's like what if Harry Potter was a humanist philosoper instead if a normal child with magic powers.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Was that Harry Potter and the methods of rationality?

I read the first dozen or so chapters maybe 10 years ago, until I realized that the total number of chapters approaches infinity and it got pretty boring after some time.

yes, that chapter count was indeed impressive

[–] KingCake_Baby@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sugar manufacturers lobbied for fats to take the blame for all of the serious health issues people have had in the last 60 years

[–] Newsteinleo@midwest.social 14 points 1 day ago

I know in my case, cutting sugar and simple carbs has done more than cutting fats.

[–] Ameripol@lemmy.world 99 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Is this the same guy who wrote the Harry Potter Rationalism fan-fic and started the ai worshipping cult?

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago

that ai cult also doubles as a get smart quick scheme

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

yeah all while ~~being a high school dropout~~ he never went to high school

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[–] juliebean@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago (6 children)

from my understanding, the ai cult initially sprang up on the forum he hosted (hosts? idk), but he didn't exactly start it, any more than Queen Elizabeth II invented punk rock.

but he did write the fanfic, and it's honestly pretty good. low bar i know, but dude's a better author than jowling ever was, and i definitely recommend it to anyone into HP fanfics.

[–] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People are always praising that fanfic for some reason so I tried reading it a while back. If it's the one I'm thinking of then hard disagree, the protagonist is a self-insert Mary Sue clearly written by a kid who thinks they're the smartest person alive. One part that still sticks in my mind years later is their fundamental misunderstanding of how fiat currency works, it was some ridiculous get-rich-quick scheme like melting down wizard currency into pure gold to sell to non-wizard community then using that money to buy silver which they'd trade up to magic society gold coins. It was some years ago so I may be misremembering the details, but there should be a ton of issues that immediately jump out to you there.

I trudged through and got as far as the first meeting with Malfoy where the author realized they were being too friendly with each other, but since Malfoy is supposed to be a bad guy they decided he should randomly blurt out something about how he wants to rape some girl.

Maybe it's just because I don't have the context of other bad fanfics, but that's a solid 0/10 from me.

[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago

"rationalism" is the choice religion of 87 IQ brainlets who think they're geniuses for being able to read Voltaire.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The get rich quick scheme I thought was well thought out, for the 'in universe' principles that had been laid out. One galleon converted to a lot of copper, so the mary sue could take gold from the muggle world, get it made into galleons in the wizard world, trade those for a metric shit ton of copper knuts, and then take those to the muggle world to be sold for a much larger sum of money than had been used to buy the gold.

As long as you don't expect it to work forever, it would be fine. The writing was terrible, but the character established all the nuts and bolts of the operation by 'just asking' questions to the diagetic narrator: pure gold was able to be made into galleons for a fee, banks would give you your money in knuts if you asked, and the prices would work for it.

The writing was jank and the protagonist narrator insufferable, but the conclusions he drew did make sense for the world he had been placed in, as appropriate for a 'rationalist' critique of harry potter.

Edit: the part where I just threw up was where the narrator had an immediate, perfectly-thought-out-but-the-writer-couldn't-come-up-with-an-actual-thing when mcgonagoll threatened to alter his memory, but he had thought of a perfect solution to that years ago. It reminded me of terrible ttrpg players who just ad hoc added parts to their backstory so they could be mary sues in a collaborative game.

[–] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If the coins are 100% gold or copper then you're in one of two scenarios: the value of the coin is the scrap metal value, in which case swapping between gold and copper makes little difference; or, the mint buys your scrap gold and converts it in-house, pocketing the difference. A mint has no reason to convert your gold to significantly higher value coins for you, that only loses them their economic and political power in the form of currency control.

The only way it would work is if you specifically build a world where everyone else is incredibly stupid just to make yourself seem smart.

[–] superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

This kinda shit happens in the real world between real currencies

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The whole basis of that scheme was the different relative exchange rates in the muggle and wizard world. There are I think 17 silver sickles to 1 gold galleon, but in the muggle world gold is more like 50 times the value of silver. The plan was to take a galleon to the muggle world, melt it down and sell the gold, use the proceeds to buy silver, bring that silver back to the wizard world and have it minted into 50 sickles, and trade those sickles for about 3 galleons.

Like many scenes in HPMOR the author is mostly just roasting Rowling for lazy world building. He didn't have to build a world where everyone else was stupid, the point is that Rowling's wizarding world already fulfilled that requirement.

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go back to your harry potter fan fiction

[–] Mainwave@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

Downvoted for Yud. Ice this clown out.

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