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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

He's just stirring shit to get his name out there isn't he?

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 10 points 54 minutes ago

Utahns generally don't like to draw attention to themselves as firebrands (e.g. Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch), so methinks the Senator is planning to get into the 2028 presidential primary.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 18 points 2 hours ago

Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I'm certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 3 points 1 hour ago

Australia really needs to close Pine Gap as well.

[–] you_are_it@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 hour ago

The press I saw from nato meet where really disturbing as in they where blatantly sucking up on him.. so maybe there was something known already. Also the Iran stunt is incredible, what is happening?

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 62 points 6 hours ago

As directed by Vladamir Putin.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 24 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly, NATO might be better off without them

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 5 points 28 minutes ago

Agreed. Drumpf is Pootins "man"*on the inside. Look to him to delay and prevaricate any NATO decision, and generally try to sabotage them

  • Drumph is NOT a man. He's a cowardly little orange shit weasel.
[–] brad_troika@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Why do you think that? How would losing half the military assets and technology would benefit NATO?

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Half the military and technology assets that won't ever actually be used to help NATO under Trump.

He'll veto every action that goes against Russia... Which is what NATO was originally formed to do...

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 14 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.

Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.

the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 5 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

Actually, if you're curious, look up how many wars the US has actually outright won on their own without being part of a coalition of allies.

The answer is shockingly few.

Even their great revolution needed help from an, at the time, true superpower i.e. the French.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 5 points 39 minutes ago

checked a wiki page about that.

it's frankly embarrassing how much the US military actually sucks.

likely human history most expensive military, and a complete waste of resources

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 4 points 1 hour ago

Yeah but we won the war om werewolves.

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That was to funnel money, steal gold, and oil.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

in a way, the "mission accomplished" was true

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'll grant you it's a big racket, it's corrupt, it's inefficient, but I don't think it's a skill issue.

https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE

I wouldn't consider failing to win the hearts and minds of the local populace using violence a military failure rather than a policy failure.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 7 points 2 hours ago

Ukraine showed that modern warfare is a different game than it used to.

it's s resource war, cheap drones can cause lots of damage, and it is far more costly to fight them. long range rockets, v defense systems...

and given that US have painfully expensive toys, they won't be able to hold of again a cheap enemy.

yhea, Maybe the F22 can outmanoeuvre another airplane in a dogfight, but who tf needs a dogfight? the enemy can just launch a volley of self guided missiles that costs 100x to intercept.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 46 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

They want out because it's stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That's not what I meant! I'm going home!

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

This is only happening because Drumpf is meddling with deliveries and contracts. It makes America an unreliable supplier and partner when a contract or agreement means nothing because the orange shiteweasel may change his mind tomorrow, and redirect the arms that you already paid for......

[–] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 3 hours ago

Cause and effect are a little twisted here. Trump was already undermining NATO during is first term by saying European members should spend more. They didn't agree at the time, but the Ukraine War proved that Europe really did need a more domestic MIC, and now they are.

Trump wasn't saying it in the first place because he thought it would help NATO.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 21 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They wanted to leave during Trump’s first term because it helps Russia’s war with Europe

The increased spending is just meant to make the incumbents unpopular so the Russian backed candidates can win

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Isn't this the same psycho whose reaction to Minnesota politicians being assassinated was conspiracy theories?

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

Great!! Fuck right off USA!!! Without you idiotic dipshits in NATO the rest of the aligned countries don’t have to listen to your moronic whining to spend $ on US defense weaponry/planes etc. You won’t be missed and piss off. From Canada’s POV we’re really looking forward to spending billions on Saab Gripens - so we can protect ourselves from you.

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 83 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Just removing the US from another world stage

Soon we will be completely irrelevant

Which is the plan

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

Except they have the largest nuclear arsenal and the world biggest navy. They can't be ignored.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 8 points 3 hours ago

Only "solution" I see is civil war. The nukes are still a problem for the rest of the world though

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