cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/31999333
Just rename it to reeducational facility, duh.
this post was submitted on 21 Jun 2025
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Maybe we could get down to Chinese levels if we executed as many prisoners as they do.
Why would they phase that out? Once you are dead you don't need organs. I'm so happy to live in a country where you have to explicitly opt out of organ donation if you don't want to be a donor (many EU countries do it that way).
Every country where you have to opt in to be an organ donor has it completely backwards.
Update: ok maybe, I should have read the article
sometimes when patients are still alive
Ok that's fucked up
If its okay to harvest organs from prisoners without their consent, even after they're dead, then the state now has a vested interest in sending people to prison.
There's some terrifying speculative fiction based upon this premise by Larry Niven:
"The ultimate danger, when a citizen could live for as long as possible if enough organs were available? The cause of it all was the organ banks. With good doctors and a sufficient flow of material in the organ banks, any taxpayer could hope to live indefinitely. What voter would vote against eternal life? The death penalty was his immortality, and he would vote the death penalty for any crime at all."
The story continues where the need for organs continues to rise and there aren't enough murders to harvest organs from. So lessor crimes are then promoted to the death penalty so that those prisoners organs can be harvested too. Eventually you get down to jaywalking being punishable by death so that others can live longer on your organs. Obviously there's a bit of creative license here in this fiction, but you can easy see where it can go in reality.
I see what you mean but that's not what I thought China did. I thought they just declared every prisoner automatically an organ donor which would totally be fine IMHO.
I live in Europe (Austria) and the solitary-based health care system is amazing. Automatically declaring everybody a donor is the best thing you can do (in in that case there wouldn't even be a difference if you are a prisoner or not).
If you ask me we should even get rid of the option to opt out unless in well founded court approved exceptions. Opting out of being an organ donor is probably the most egocentric, selfish thing one could do. You are dead and you still want to deny helping others at literally no additional cost for you.
It also has practically the opposite effect of what you mentioned. If you only have a few organ donors and one is in a bad condition in a hospital there a probably a few people that hope they don't make it to get the organs. But if everybody is an organ donor the situation gets much simpler because there isn't this artificial scarcity.
Long story short, I haven't heard a single good argument for not being an organ donor except that people could care less about the paper work to opt-in. That's why the European opt-out system is way better, but many US citizens probably would call that communism :-)
You just replace prisons with "work camps," and suddenly the US is as great as China.
It's one of the two things we're exceptionally better than the rest of the world at.
(The other being disability accommodations.)
As a disabled guy: yes, but actually no
(yes, we have disabled parking spots, they are over there and the ramp is at the other end of the building. yes, we have paratransit, but you have to prove your disability and our service only goes to our small city limits. yes, we made an uninforcible law that companies can't discriminate based on disability, that's why you see so many disabled people working. yes, you can get government services, and if you are a really poor motherfucker you can get a bit more, but if you hold a cent beyond 2k we will cut your extra funding - and we haven't updated that number in 30 years! yes, we here at Billion-Dollar Hotel have accommodations for you, do you want the shitty room with a useless bathtub or our suite that you can actually use that costs 4x as much? I could go on...)
E: yes, we here at Any Furry Convention offer hotels at discounted prices - oh wait, we didn't bother to book rooms for people with disabilities, so you will have to pay full price yourself, but you can cover $2,000 just for your hotel room with all that government money, right? (looking at you, Anthrocon)
I don't know how much you've traveled, but outside "Western" countries it gets bad really fast for anyone in a wheelchair. Like sidewalks in many places go from non-existent to completely unusable to walk, let alone wheel. Ramps? If you're lucky there's a 30 degree ramp. Elevators? Good luck, maybe standing room. Accessible toilets? Lol. Paratransit? I suppose you could hitch a ride as the bus swings by, barely stopping long enough for people to jump on. That's if there is transit in the first place. Kneeling buses, buses with ramps? Good fucking luck.
From what I've seen, it would be hell in a wheelchair, or having any mobility or other accessibility issues in 90% of the world.
I'm not saying its perfect here, not by any means (I've worked in the accessibility space, so I do know a bit.) However, it is a whole different world here in the west.
That said, fuck Anthrocon for doing that to you.
Yeah. It's kinda bad in the usa still. But we're better in testament to how much worse other countries are. Like have you seen how terrible japan or Germany are abt this shit
Two places I'd like to visit, but I have never had the funds to travel internationally
20% sounds perfectly reasonable for China in any case. They've got like 20% of the world's population...
It's wild that the US has 4%of the world population but 20% of the world's prison population. Gotta keep those slaves slaving somehow I guess ..