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Edit for context:

My view is transracial isn’t valid and this person is trying to dogwhistle. I’ve already blocked this person, and now they’re going after my friend saying my friend is transphobic because they disagreed with them about transracial being a thing (they're purposefully leaving the context out so my friend looks transphobic when what my friend really said was transgender is valid but transracial isn't)

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[–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (12 children)

I'm no expert on either topic. But I believe humans basically start off as female in the womb, and either become male or don't. And there are many intersex conditions. The body responds to hormones typically associated with either sex. So gender is fluid in a biological sense. If someone transitions to male, female or nonbinary, they already kind of contained that potential.

However, race is a social construct, usually based on heritage as well as biological appearance. So it's hard to say how much biology is really involved. Does the human body contain the ability to be any race? Or to cultivate an appearance that prompts other humans to socially categorize you as one race or the other?

Maybe for people who are mixed race, there is a sort of spectrum available to them. They likely know how to present themselves in a way that gets them categorized as one race or the other.

But otherwise, not really. If you're White, and you say, "I identify as Black," the question might be: do you have Black heritage? If you don't, you can't really create it out of thin air. There wasn't a situation while you were in the womb where various hormones could have influenced you to appear more Black than you do. If your parents are both White, they were going to have a White baby, no matter what. Race is a social construct, but it's based on appearance and heritage. It's about belonging to a group, not about being an individual, the way gender is.

If you're assigned female at birth, and you say, "I identify as male," then cool! Your body already has the capability to become hormonally male. You can socially identify as male. Any human, of any race, has this potential. Any two parents could have a baby that is any sex or gender, depending on various factors.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm confused. Wouldn't transracial just be "mixed"? Like one parent is white, one parent is black.

Mixed baby.

Never heard someone refer to it as "transracial".

[–] Tiffany1994@lemmy.cafe 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Transracial in this context is people identifying as different races, like Rachel Dolezal

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Never heard of that name before, so I googled it. Holy shit. Guys, if you haven't heard of Rachel Dolezal, google it. It is a WILD read.

It reminds me of this local wrestling character. "Malcolm Farrakhan". A combination of the names Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan. Played by a 90lbs 5'2 white guy, who surrounded himself with a group of big muscular black guys. One of which you might remember from WWE in The Nexus as "Micheal Tarver".

Well, Malcolm Farrakhan was as white as could be, which was the whole joke. He didn't do blackface (thank god), but his whole schtick was screaming "I AM A VERY LIGHT SHADE OF BLACK!!! I HAVE BLACK HERRITAGE!!!" meanwhile the crowd laughs at the absurdity, as a group of 4-5 black guys all act like they fully believe him.

Wrestling is weird, and not meant to be taken seriously.

But this Rachel Dolezal essentially did the exact same thing a decade later, except in real life. Just less cartoonish about it.

Which is pretty fucked up.

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[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

The best way is asking: what's your point? Is it that transgender shouldn't be accepted or that transrace should?. And proceed from there to either defend transgenderism or criticize transracism accordingly.

First let me start by saying I strongly dislike the race therminology, but I'll use it here for consistency, although normally I would call it ethnicity.

The difference between those lies in that gender is a social construct, and race is not. Race has some biological meaning, just like sex, people can't change their sex (yet), they can't change their race (yet).

Gender is a social construct, it's things that have nothing to do with biology but that we as a society attribute in general to a specific sex. A similar concept for race would be culture, a person can be of the sex male but prefer to wear clothes usually associated with female sex, just like someone can be of the white ethnicity but prefer to hear music usually associated with black ethnicity. I wouldn't call Eminem or Michael Jackson transrace, what would that even mean?

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 3 points 5 days ago

Why not ask more questions about it? And if they insist it does no damage, it wouldn't matter either way

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah fuck it, it's 2025

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Look, understanding and relating to someone of a different race is one thing, but if you think that you somehow are that race then there's something wrong in your brain, one way or another. It's better than being like "I'm really a wolf" or similar nonsense, but only because at least you're not claiming it believing that you're a different species. Instead you're on the sliding scale of delusion/dog whistle and either way I'd rather just not be around you.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Makes sense on the surface, but people have reacted that exact same way to the whole transgender concept. "You can be in touch with your feminine side but your still male" or whatever.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't know anything about this issue but apparently the presumption here is that your view is the right view and you're just asking how to splain it to the person. My question is about the "I've already blocked this person" part. Instead could you possibly just limit your conversation to other subjects? It keeps looking like we're all getting more and more isolated from each other as we develop extreme aversions to anyone not having our exact POV about everything, so we shove them out of our world. It reminds me of survivalist bunker mentality.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you're actually being sincere, you might want to ask people how to articulate your view, you'd have to let them know what your view is though. Or ask for peoples opinion on the question.

[–] Tiffany1994@lemmy.cafe 3 points 6 days ago

My view is transracial isn't valid and this person is trying to dogwhistle. I've already blocked this person, and now they're going after my friend saying my friend is transphobic because they disagreed with them about transracial being a thing.

Don’t waste your time, if someone is claiming transracialism then they are way too far gone and it’s not your job to understand or fix people that can’t be fixed or understood. Every interaction with that person will equate to a net loss on your life and time, they will hit the wall of reality eventually or die a joke.

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